Rather than engage in a productive conversation (and admit you made a mistake) you'd rather bluster.

alright, bye Zex

No I was pretty productive, I just insulted you too.

Later

lets cool down K0R it's over

Get a thicker skin.

Goodbye everyone else.

Oh, you are mistaken, I was amused, not insulted 😉

Will do, Gris.

That turned into a mess real fast, and I think it all just came down to Zex not seeing the full context and getting overinvested

It would seem

It's not his fault, having your core beliefs questioned is uncomfortable.

He can get kind of passionate about this stuff from what I've seen of him

He'll get used to it with more time on the internet.

He may be young

I'm suspecting so. Nothing wrong with that. He has the advantage of more time.

we're not trying to insult him by questioning his age or ego

But moving on

Yeah, trust me. When I was a young Christian, I would practically burst into flames at the first prod at my faith. When I first became an Atheist, I was probably worse.

But yeah, anyways

Pretty much you have to look at the universe and ask is it just random or was intelligence behind it. From that point you can see you are either atheist leaning or faith leaning.

discussions about stuff like this are best viewed as us coming together to look at the problem, not defending our views from each other

Exactly

we're all just people trying to find the answers

Believing or not is never the problem

As long as one's set of beliefs doesn't lead to... you know, blowing yourself up in a crowded place or taking a joyride with a rented van... (There's a reason I said I'm quite content to live around Christians)

💯

If you cause harm to anyone due to faith as stated above you need to reevaluate your beliefs.

Well, that's just it... I must say that I also have more respect for the man who lives according to the letter of his belief system, than the moderate apologist.

Pretty much one should not harm others in order to convert

But... Suppose one's core text told one to? And suppose one had a very good reason to believe in it?

Are they harming innocent people?

Or are these people causing harm as in invading army?

Sorry, could you clarify the second sentence? I think I'm reading it wrong.

As in said people are invading the other

Military action

Oh, well in either case innocents are being hurt, yes?

Yes but one is hurting citizens and military alike the other is only attacking a peaceful populace

Well to me, either would be evil. But suppose someone had a very good reason to believe in a faith that told them to do both?

Example that applies to neither New Testament Christians nor Atheists-

Jews believe that their God has ordained in the past that it is good and right to genocide entire peoples.

The convert via sword? That’s what’s you’re asking?

It is wrong imo