Message from @campodin

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2018-09-03 21:27:03 UTC  

@Deleted User and state ownership is collective ownership, I already addressed this

2018-09-03 21:27:46 UTC  

i didn't see that explanation

2018-09-03 21:30:52 UTC  

What the state owns is collectively owned by all. The state under their system has the right to tax everything. Meaning that the state theoretically can or does own everything.

2018-09-03 21:31:42 UTC  

yeah well the means of production tax isn't a common thing in social democracies

2018-09-03 21:32:25 UTC  

@Deleted User I don't know their system or how it is set up

2018-09-03 21:34:35 UTC  

@Deleted User I'd rather not talk about that as I'm not knowledgeable enough to discuss it.

2018-09-03 21:36:45 UTC  

"I don't really know anything about this topic but I have strong opinions and if you disagree with me you're an idiot." Surely you realize you're setting yourself up for failure.

2018-09-03 21:37:09 UTC  

My argument addresses specifically social democrats, I don't know enough about their system

2018-09-03 21:37:12 UTC  

I already did, repeatedly and thoroughly.

2018-09-03 21:37:20 UTC  

But I have nothing better to do with my holiday.

2018-09-03 21:38:12 UTC  

Bernie Sanders is a supporter of the Nordic Model.

2018-09-03 21:38:32 UTC  

Bernie Sanders doesn't understand the Nordic model

2018-09-03 21:38:43 UTC  

You don't either though. How can you make that statement authoritatively?

2018-09-03 21:39:05 UTC  

Because he has made factually inaccurate statements about it

2018-09-03 21:39:26 UTC  

Yeah, he doesn't understand it at all. Progressive taxes are actually terrible for the economy, which is why the Nordic Model is regressive.

2018-09-03 21:39:38 UTC  

The theft of the socialist label and anti-rich sentiment is just populist appeal.

2018-09-03 21:40:04 UTC  

Norway has more business freedom than America does.

2018-09-03 21:40:19 UTC  

@εïз irma εïз on that I'd agree

2018-09-03 21:40:21 UTC  

They're very much capitalist countries that use the same welfare programs you claim would make them socialist.

2018-09-03 21:40:28 UTC  

So you're making contradictory statements.

2018-09-03 21:40:35 UTC  

No I'm not

2018-09-03 21:40:48 UTC  

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2018-09-03 21:40:50 UTC  

Why not?

2018-09-03 21:41:46 UTC  

First off, socialism is not wealth distribution. Secondly, wealth distribution is not giving MOP to the people who receive the money in said distribution scheme. Thirdly, you cannot use point #1 to argue that point #2 is socialist for that reason.

2018-09-03 21:42:05 UTC  

If you chose not to read my explanation of this above then I can understand why you're still misunderstanding.

2018-09-03 21:42:11 UTC  

I never claimed the Nordic model was socialist. I claimed social programs are socialist

2018-09-03 21:42:28 UTC  

But the Nordic Model is the biggest example of welfare capitalism.

2018-09-03 21:42:59 UTC  

And i would say it has socialist aspects to it

2018-09-03 21:42:59 UTC  

It's just fiscally realistic because it accepts regressive financial responsibility rather than the incorrect assumption you can just tax the rich and it'll work out for everybody.

2018-09-03 21:43:14 UTC  

Because Nordic Model proponents understand upper classes reinvest most of their money anyways.

2018-09-03 21:43:30 UTC  

The principle of Berniefaggotry and the Nordic Model is the same though.

2018-09-03 21:44:51 UTC  

So what socialist aspects exist exactly?

2018-09-03 21:45:09 UTC  

I already said

2018-09-03 21:45:15 UTC  

This goes back to me pointing out you have strong opinions on stuff you admit you know little about. It's not a great strategy.

2018-09-03 21:45:29 UTC  

How are social programs socialist? They don't transfer the MOP to workers.

2018-09-03 21:45:42 UTC  

I already argued with you about that

2018-09-03 21:45:46 UTC  

They transfer the capital gained from labor gained from the MOP. That's two steps unaccounted for.

2018-09-03 21:45:52 UTC  

but none of your points made sense

2018-09-03 21:46:11 UTC  

no

2018-09-03 21:46:25 UTC  

No, he made the argument that because capital is gained from the MOP that when you have capital you have the MOP.

2018-09-03 21:47:01 UTC  

Not gained from it, I argued that they are interchangeable