Message from @campodin
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@Deleted User and state ownership is collective ownership, I already addressed this
i didn't see that explanation
What the state owns is collectively owned by all. The state under their system has the right to tax everything. Meaning that the state theoretically can or does own everything.
yeah well the means of production tax isn't a common thing in social democracies
@Deleted User I don't know their system or how it is set up
@Deleted User I'd rather not talk about that as I'm not knowledgeable enough to discuss it.
"I don't really know anything about this topic but I have strong opinions and if you disagree with me you're an idiot." Surely you realize you're setting yourself up for failure.
My argument addresses specifically social democrats, I don't know enough about their system
I already did, repeatedly and thoroughly.
But I have nothing better to do with my holiday.
Bernie Sanders is a supporter of the Nordic Model.
Bernie Sanders doesn't understand the Nordic model
You don't either though. How can you make that statement authoritatively?
Because he has made factually inaccurate statements about it
Yeah, he doesn't understand it at all. Progressive taxes are actually terrible for the economy, which is why the Nordic Model is regressive.
The theft of the socialist label and anti-rich sentiment is just populist appeal.
Norway has more business freedom than America does.
@εïз irma εïз on that I'd agree
They're very much capitalist countries that use the same welfare programs you claim would make them socialist.
So you're making contradictory statements.
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Why not?
First off, socialism is not wealth distribution. Secondly, wealth distribution is not giving MOP to the people who receive the money in said distribution scheme. Thirdly, you cannot use point #1 to argue that point #2 is socialist for that reason.
If you chose not to read my explanation of this above then I can understand why you're still misunderstanding.
I never claimed the Nordic model was socialist. I claimed social programs are socialist
But the Nordic Model is the biggest example of welfare capitalism.
And i would say it has socialist aspects to it
It's just fiscally realistic because it accepts regressive financial responsibility rather than the incorrect assumption you can just tax the rich and it'll work out for everybody.
Because Nordic Model proponents understand upper classes reinvest most of their money anyways.
The principle of Berniefaggotry and the Nordic Model is the same though.
So what socialist aspects exist exactly?
I already said
This goes back to me pointing out you have strong opinions on stuff you admit you know little about. It's not a great strategy.
How are social programs socialist? They don't transfer the MOP to workers.
I already argued with you about that
They transfer the capital gained from labor gained from the MOP. That's two steps unaccounted for.
but none of your points made sense
no
No, he made the argument that because capital is gained from the MOP that when you have capital you have the MOP.
Not gained from it, I argued that they are interchangeable