Message from @Summī Imperator, 呪い殿

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2018-09-05 02:06:40 UTC  

Indulgences are a good thing.

2018-09-05 02:06:54 UTC  

Protestants made indulgences synonymous with bribery to get into heaven.

2018-09-05 02:06:55 UTC  

I think rewards are a good thing.

2018-09-05 02:07:00 UTC  

Indulgence is not.

2018-09-05 02:07:04 UTC  

bullshit it's all made up

2018-09-05 02:07:12 UTC  

there's no scriptural evidence for purgatory

2018-09-05 02:07:32 UTC  

What an indulgence actually is is charity AFTER your sins have been absolved.

2018-09-05 02:08:01 UTC  

The selling of indulgences that we think of today is a Protestant myth and slander.

2018-09-05 02:08:40 UTC  

source?

2018-09-05 02:08:47 UTC  

Source for what?

2018-09-05 02:09:26 UTC  

that that's what an indulgence actually was

2018-09-05 02:09:45 UTC  

You could Google it and find that literally anywhere except maybe burnallcatholics.org

2018-09-05 02:09:59 UTC  

The problem is that nobody does.

2018-09-05 02:10:33 UTC  

They just believe whatever they learned in the two sentences they heard in a high school history class lecture about Protestantism.

2018-09-05 02:10:42 UTC  

It's the archaic definition of indulgence.

2018-09-05 02:10:50 UTC  

Like Anathema

2018-09-05 02:10:52 UTC  

oh ok

2018-09-05 02:10:56 UTC  

yeah it's the purgatory thing

2018-09-05 02:11:00 UTC  

again, purgatory is bs

2018-09-05 02:11:08 UTC  

Archaic as in what they actually did at the time they were giving indulgences?

2018-09-05 02:11:33 UTC  

Archaic as in that is not the accepted definition in modern language.

2018-09-05 02:11:38 UTC  

that's what i was taught in history

2018-09-05 02:12:07 UTC  

i still believe it despite google

2018-09-05 02:12:13 UTC  

because google agrees

2018-09-05 02:12:21 UTC  

How does Google agree?

2018-09-05 02:12:58 UTC  

you buy yourself a quick trip out of purgatory

2018-09-05 02:13:07 UTC  

Indulgences are charity given after your sins are absolved as they normally would be for less time in purgatory. The problem was corrupt clergymen just selling indulgences and pocketing the money for themselves. The latter is the myth we're told in high school.

2018-09-05 02:13:32 UTC  

The money is supposed to go to a Church-sponsored charity.

2018-09-05 02:13:41 UTC  

but it didn't

2018-09-05 02:13:43 UTC  

But corrupt clergymen created fake charities and pocketed the money.

2018-09-05 02:13:50 UTC  

In the vast majority of cases it did.

2018-09-05 02:14:28 UTC  

ik the specific indulgence saleman martin luther got pissed at was not giving the money to charity

2018-09-05 02:14:33 UTC  

idk the bigger picture

2018-09-05 02:15:27 UTC  

Yeah, I'm not saying it didn't happen.

2018-09-05 02:15:29 UTC  

It did happen.

2018-09-05 02:15:53 UTC  

But the actual practice of indulgences was a good thing when it worked, and most of the time it did.

2018-09-05 02:16:25 UTC  

The act of charity purifies the soul on Earth, as it would otherwise be in Purgatory.

2018-09-05 02:16:39 UTC  

As nothing unclean enters the Kingdom of Heaven.

2018-09-05 02:17:07 UTC  

initially it was definitely good

2018-09-05 02:17:24 UTC  

when it was just charity for the poor

2018-09-05 02:17:34 UTC  

but that's not what it was at the time of the reformation