Message from @Summī Imperator, 呪い殿

Discord ID: 486717966906556427


2018-09-05 01:56:31 UTC  

roman catholic

2018-09-05 01:56:52 UTC  

The Roman Church was an institution of learning but doubled down in their theology to combat Protestant heresy.

2018-09-05 01:56:55 UTC  

Hmm, you seem to have misspelled "Paganism Lite".

2018-09-05 01:57:08 UTC  

copernicus didn't public on the revolutions of heavenly spheres until he was on his deathbed because he was afraid of the church

2018-09-05 01:57:27 UTC  

No, he literally dedicated it to the Pope.

2018-09-05 01:57:38 UTC  

It was published by the Church if I recall correctly.

2018-09-05 01:58:21 UTC  

He was not a layman.

2018-09-05 01:58:25 UTC  

He worked for the Church.

2018-09-05 01:59:14 UTC  

Literally everyone worked for the church.

2018-09-05 01:59:29 UTC  

At least that's what the Church would have had.

2018-09-05 01:59:52 UTC  

Except not literally everyone. <:E_:459545659574321152>

2018-09-05 02:00:04 UTC  

If you were a scholar you worked for the Church.

2018-09-05 02:00:35 UTC  

If you were a farmer and paid taxes to a king you also worked for the church as the king usually had his power through God via the Church.

2018-09-05 02:00:39 UTC  

Heliocentrism wasn't rejected by the Church as a whole, it was rejected for scientific reasons and not even by a majority of other clergymen. It wasn't theological.

2018-09-05 02:00:59 UTC  

That's a pretty bad misunderstanding of the three estates system.

2018-09-05 02:01:12 UTC  

If you're a farmer you provide for the second and third estate. There's no mixing.

2018-09-05 02:01:27 UTC  

You don't indirectly work for the Church because you provide food for them.

2018-09-05 02:02:23 UTC  

Unless you can make the case that Copernicus was a farmer and that it's somehow equivalent then that doesn't mean anything.

2018-09-05 02:02:30 UTC  

But he worked for the Church directly.

2018-09-05 02:03:10 UTC  

The backlash against Copernicus was from Protestants mostly, not Catholics. Bet they don't tell you that. 😦

2018-09-05 02:03:26 UTC  

I was just saying that most were endentured to the church in some capacity under the rule of Catholicism.

2018-09-05 02:03:46 UTC  

Protestants said it was inconsistent with theology, so the Catholic Church was like "no we're more consistent with theology" and that affected how they handled Galileo.

2018-09-05 02:04:03 UTC  

Going back to my statement that the counter-reformation debased the Church.

2018-09-05 02:04:22 UTC  

It was all petty squabbles over who was more correct in an issue that had no real answer.

2018-09-05 02:04:52 UTC  

All are to blame.

2018-09-05 02:05:01 UTC  

The real answer is that the Catholic Church scrambled to look legitimate in the face of Protestant criticisms and made a fool out of themselves in the process.

2018-09-05 02:05:21 UTC  

That's what reaction will do to the best laid plans.

2018-09-05 02:05:33 UTC  

Not having a contingency

2018-09-05 02:05:39 UTC  

The Catholic Church really was corrupt in the 15th century for sure, but before that they were doing quite well.

2018-09-05 02:06:40 UTC  

Indulgences are a good thing.

2018-09-05 02:06:54 UTC  

Protestants made indulgences synonymous with bribery to get into heaven.

2018-09-05 02:06:55 UTC  

I think rewards are a good thing.

2018-09-05 02:07:00 UTC  

Indulgence is not.

2018-09-05 02:07:04 UTC  

bullshit it's all made up

2018-09-05 02:07:12 UTC  

there's no scriptural evidence for purgatory

2018-09-05 02:07:32 UTC  

What an indulgence actually is is charity AFTER your sins have been absolved.

2018-09-05 02:08:01 UTC  

The selling of indulgences that we think of today is a Protestant myth and slander.

2018-09-05 02:08:40 UTC  

source?

2018-09-05 02:08:47 UTC  

Source for what?

2018-09-05 02:09:26 UTC  

that that's what an indulgence actually was

2018-09-05 02:09:45 UTC  

You could Google it and find that literally anywhere except maybe burnallcatholics.org