not devoid but it wasn't great

there wasn't a capitalist impetus for progress

The Renaissance had nothing to do with Protestantism also.

that's bs

It was Byzantine scholars fleeing the Ottomans.

The things we know have been known, is just now we like to name and categorize them with fancy titles.

renaissance caused protestantism

How?

protestantism is the religious manifestation of the renaissance

How though?

the values of the renaissance are reflected in protestantism

Which values?

it's more humanist than catholicism

more egalitarian

So we're just going to ignore gnostics, Arians, Hussites, and Albigensians.

The Protestant Revolution was not unprecedented.

That is completely ahistorical.

ik

Humanism is materialistic and barbarian.

Maybe that's why Germans liked it so much.

Are you against seeing value in your fellow man?

there's also the jesuits, which i believe were part of the counter-reformation

they have been hugely important to science and philosophy

The counter-reformation was almost as bad as the reformation.

The Church debased itself in my opinion.

but it was corrupt

debasement non-unique

Which Church?

That's why they liked Copernicus but didn't like Galileo, just a few decades later.

roman catholic

The Roman Church was an institution of learning but doubled down in their theology to combat Protestant heresy.

Hmm, you seem to have misspelled "Paganism Lite".

copernicus didn't public on the revolutions of heavenly spheres until he was on his deathbed because he was afraid of the church

No, he literally dedicated it to the Pope.

It was published by the Church if I recall correctly.

He was not a layman.

He worked for the Church.

Literally everyone worked for the church.

At least that's what the Church would have had.

Except not literally everyone. <:E_:459545659574321152>

If you were a scholar you worked for the Church.