loyalty was never part of the equation

the Soviets were subverters

it was more of an oppressive ideology meant to well... genocide millions

@Jay1532 Lots of its citizens are still loyal to the soviets even if they are gone

ok? thats just rose-tinted glasses

because Russians are a race of fucking brainlet peasants

@Bogatyr Bogumir I'm not talking about their ideology

The pan-socialist quasinationalism that the Soviets tried to force on the republics and the rest of the Warsaw Pact was almost completely rejected.

I'm not talking about ideology either

the fact is that they weren't Russians, they subverted Russia

and they dont look fondly on marxism, they look back fondly on imperialism

Ik @Deleted User

they had a huge geography under their hegemony

Because they remember the glory days of rivaling american supremacy

I know, Id say people were loyal to the idea of the great soviet Russia, this mythical ethereal spirit of the russian people, that simply took on a new name. The loyalty was there during the war, however afterwards its hard to say they were particularly loyal.

you think they like that, or bread lines

lol

then what the fuck are you talking about "soviet loyalty"???

so loyal to bread lines im sure

Soviet nostalgia is rooted in nationalism, not actually liking the Soviet Union. If the transition to democracy wasn't completely fucked by Yeltsin there would be next to no nostalgia for the Soviet Union today.

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they went from being an arguably great sized empire

yeah

to a cucked democracy

@Deleted User I'm not, I'm saying that lots of people are more so loyal to the communists than people are loyal to fascists

its not nostalgia for bread lines

Soviet nostalgia is probably due to a lot of different reasons, the first being fondness for communism that a lot of people here have

Nobody is loyal to communism in Russia lmao

because loyalty to fascism gets people a trial at the hague

???

the second being fondness over propaganda from "the good old days"

People like that the Soviet Union was stronger than Russia is today.

It has nothing to do with ideology.

I mean the communists did do a few things right, my grandfather remembers those right things fondly and hates the new capitalist system for ruining them and literally fucking up the population by doing so

you really need to understand how subject to intimidation and power people are

no one is free from it

and the third being a desire for Russia to return to prominence

They like that Russia didn't have to cuck to the west

its a chief characteristic of humanity

I would say that the fascist movement in Russia is a lot stronger than communism.

mostly things like availability of work, govorment work programs, public transport being heavily inveted in and certain sectors as well