Message from @Jay1532
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Zeiglar is right
in terms of the history of communism in russia
loyalty was never part of the equation
the Soviets were subverters
it was more of an oppressive ideology meant to well... genocide millions
@Jay1532 Lots of its citizens are still loyal to the soviets even if they are gone
ok? thats just rose-tinted glasses
because Russians are a race of fucking brainlet peasants
@Bogatyr Bogumir I'm not talking about their ideology
The pan-socialist quasinationalism that the Soviets tried to force on the republics and the rest of the Warsaw Pact was almost completely rejected.
I'm not talking about ideology either
the fact is that they weren't Russians, they subverted Russia
and they dont look fondly on marxism, they look back fondly on imperialism
they had a huge geography under their hegemony
Because they remember the glory days of rivaling american supremacy
I know, Id say people were loyal to the idea of the great soviet Russia, this mythical ethereal spirit of the russian people, that simply took on a new name. The loyalty was there during the war, however afterwards its hard to say they were particularly loyal.
you think they like that, or bread lines
lol
then what the fuck are you talking about "soviet loyalty"???
Soviet nostalgia is rooted in nationalism, not actually liking the Soviet Union. If the transition to democracy wasn't completely fucked by Yeltsin there would be next to no nostalgia for the Soviet Union today.
they went from being an arguably great sized empire
yeah
to a cucked democracy
@Deleted User I'm not, I'm saying that lots of people are more so loyal to the communists than people are loyal to fascists
its not nostalgia for bread lines
Soviet nostalgia is probably due to a lot of different reasons, the first being fondness for communism that a lot of people here have
Nobody is loyal to communism in Russia lmao
because loyalty to fascism gets people a trial at the hague
???
the second being fondness over propaganda from "the good old days"
People like that the Soviet Union was stronger than Russia is today.
It has nothing to do with ideology.
I mean the communists did do a few things right, my grandfather remembers those right things fondly and hates the new capitalist system for ruining them and literally fucking up the population by doing so
you really need to understand how subject to intimidation and power people are
no one is free from it
and the third being a desire for Russia to return to prominence
They like that Russia didn't have to cuck to the west
its a chief characteristic of humanity