Message from @funguy217

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2018-10-23 15:30:29 UTC  

If not for that it'd likely be higher

2018-10-23 15:30:49 UTC  

Yeah. There's a ton of stuff that he's done that a lot of people don't even know about

2018-10-23 15:31:07 UTC  

because 'orange man bad' is the extent of the complexity that the media will allow

2018-10-23 15:40:13 UTC  

i hate it when people use his personality as a valid criticism of his term

2018-10-23 15:40:30 UTC  

look at his actions and actually bring something to the argument

2018-10-23 15:54:22 UTC  

lmao

2018-10-23 15:54:27 UTC  

silly trumptards

2018-10-23 15:56:09 UTC  

what an exquisite bait

2018-10-23 15:56:12 UTC  

10/10

2018-10-23 15:56:26 UTC  

im serious

2018-10-23 15:56:30 UTC  

if you still at this point like trump

2018-10-23 15:56:41 UTC  

youre just as bad as the libruls

2018-10-23 15:57:04 UTC  

i never said i liked him, i said criticize him on his actions instead of his personality

2018-10-23 15:57:15 UTC  

i think thats a fair request no matter who you are talking about

2018-10-23 15:57:16 UTC  

Oh its you

2018-10-23 15:57:17 UTC  

lol

2018-10-23 15:57:20 UTC  

only reason i dont like him is because of his actions

2018-10-23 15:57:38 UTC  

Which actions

2018-10-23 15:58:05 UTC  

serving his jewish masters and lying about everything

2018-10-23 15:58:12 UTC  

Kek

2018-10-23 15:58:29 UTC  

not even gonna open the jewish master can of worms

2018-10-23 15:58:42 UTC  

scared

2018-10-23 15:58:52 UTC  

He moved the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem

2018-10-23 15:58:56 UTC  

nah im just not very educated on jewish shit

2018-10-23 15:59:00 UTC  

Guess that makes him the ultimate kike lover

2018-10-23 15:59:11 UTC  

i can educate you if you want

2018-10-23 15:59:18 UTC  

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2018-10-23 15:59:23 UTC  

throw some facts my man

2018-10-23 15:59:25 UTC  

all ears

2018-10-23 16:00:00 UTC  

ill dm you the stuff

2018-10-23 16:00:12 UTC  

sure

2018-10-23 16:00:53 UTC  

Mind giving me the "stuff" too?

2018-10-23 16:01:57 UTC  

sure

2018-10-23 16:02:15 UTC  

Authority, Order and Discipline/Spirituality exist everywhere. The ideologies that pretend they don't, thus, end up making them perverse. Marx, in the end, proposed, what may essentially be, the abolition of authority. USSR was based on idea of equality of class, and thus, equality of people. Of course, in practice, it was not so.
@Enigmatic★Chromatic Similarly, Marxists revolutions are against order. Women can be man. Protests are the way to get heard. Victimization mentality is common. This is because, Communism thrives in disorder.
And lastly, giving people free stuff is not teaching them discipline.

Communism is also not pro-worker. In the end, you'd have to do rationing and to get stuff, you would have to lick the boots of authority. If that is what one is willing to do, why not just become a monarchist and a boot-licker for a king?

And finally, bankers indeed have much to gain from Communism

2018-10-23 16:04:19 UTC  

who are these bankers

2018-10-23 16:04:24 UTC  

hmmmmmm

2018-10-23 16:13:36 UTC  

You have a very ill informed understanding of this I would say. First Marx, and Marxists, do not advocate for "equality" that is an impossible and vague goal. The thing we advocate for is the abolition of class distinctions. Which in Marxist terms mean the relationship between workers and capitalists, or serfs and landlords. It doesn't mean authority and leaders disappear. The point in history that communism existed in a primitive form was during tribal society and in said society we can see leaders and organization existed. Marxism is neutral to 'hierarchy'

You're also pushing liberal identity politics onto Marxists. When Marxists argue in favor of class interest, not victimhood attitudes. We say, as a worker you deserve the fruits of your labor and such.

There is a lot of propaganda surrounding the USSR as the capitalists have a lot to gain from smearing it's name and claiming it was a dictatorship. Firstly much of the early USSR was dedicated to class struggle and building socialism, it was only when Stalin died and Knrushchev was voted as general secretary that what Marxists called "revisionism" happened, which was the process towards revising class struggle out of Marxism, say it was no longer necessary, and focusing on building up the forces of production as primary and all other considerations secondary. This is what lead to Deng Xiaoping's market reforms in China

Also again you need to put forth a tangible reason banker would benefit form communism was communism abolishes the bank, often bankers are... Let say... Liquidated. If you catch my drift

2018-10-23 16:19:10 UTC  

```“As between one country, one province and even one place and another, living conditions will always evince a certain inequality which may be reduced to a minimum but never wholly eliminated. The living conditions of Alpine dwellers will always be different from those of the plainsmen. The concept of a socialist society as a realm of equality is a one-sided French concept deriving from the old “liberty, equality, fraternity,” a concept which was justified in that, in its own time and place, it signified a phase of development, but which, like all the one-sided ideas of earlier socialist schools, ought now to be superseded, since they produce nothing but mental confusion, and more accurate ways of presenting the matter have been discovered.”```

2018-10-23 16:19:21 UTC  

This is a quote from Engles on the notion of equality

2018-10-23 16:22:59 UTC  

This is something from the transition from Utopian Socialism, that of Henri de Saint-Simon, Charles Fourier, Étienne Cabet and Robert Owen. In response to the failure of these ideas Scientific Socialism was developed, namely by Marx, however other people such as Georges Sorel also developed socialism along practical and scientific terms

2018-10-23 16:23:45 UTC  

This is actually a very common thing, that people don't know just how much of a philosophical science Marxism is