Message from @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ

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2018-12-05 19:09:47 UTC  

Yes

2018-12-05 19:09:50 UTC  

Hay is

2018-12-05 19:09:52 UTC  

That

2018-12-05 19:09:52 UTC  

fascism is a form of socialism

2018-12-05 19:09:52 UTC  

Is

2018-12-05 19:09:54 UTC  

Ridiculous

2018-12-05 19:10:16 UTC  

@Koninos Capitalism is an individualist system, that's not something anyone can argue with and since socialism is collectivist and that Nazi Germany was a collectivist movement, there's no question that Hitler was a socialist. You can't say NAZI Germany wasn't collectivist but deny that Hitler was not using a form of socialism

-All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

-The tax rates were extremely high, high as 80% I believe.

-"As Ludwig Von Mises once correctly observed, the German economy under Hitler was not capitalist at all….

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
"

-Privatisation was just in name as the state really owned the companies due to their regulation and such. The business "owners" would be told what to make, when to make and how much to make.

-Hitler Nationalised healthcare, churches, automobile industry, the press so he could control what people heard and watched.

-Hitler created trade unions such as the German Labour front.

2018-12-05 19:10:32 UTC  

Look, if you expect me to read this

2018-12-05 19:10:42 UTC  

You are out of your mind

2018-12-05 19:10:48 UTC  

its why fascism is left wing

2018-12-05 19:10:52 UTC  

and national socialism

2018-12-05 19:11:38 UTC  

Fascism is clearly right winged. You will find that in the fascist manifesto.

2018-12-05 19:11:55 UTC  

Hitler wasn't absolutely fascist. Some say that he wasn't a fascist at all.

2018-12-05 19:11:59 UTC  

He was national socialist

2018-12-05 19:12:04 UTC  

national socialism is a form of socialism

2018-12-05 19:12:08 UTC  

Since there is a huge difference between Nazism and Fascism

2018-12-05 19:12:09 UTC  

I'm saying fascism is a form of socialism

2018-12-05 19:12:13 UTC  

In economic values

2018-12-05 19:12:18 UTC  

there is but they're a form of each other

2018-12-05 19:12:19 UTC  

National Socialism isn'f the same thing with Fascism either.

2018-12-05 19:12:25 UTC  

i know

2018-12-05 19:12:32 UTC  

National socialism is a form of socialism

2018-12-05 19:12:39 UTC  

and a form of fascism

2018-12-05 19:12:42 UTC  

read what I wrote

2018-12-05 19:12:46 UTC  

Yeah, saying Fascism is left winged because of hitler's actions doesn't work

2018-12-05 19:12:50 UTC  

I mean, as a statement.

2018-12-05 19:12:58 UTC  

Jesus it's huge

2018-12-05 19:13:24 UTC  

No I mean read what I wrote

2018-12-05 19:13:32 UTC  

Oh

2018-12-05 19:13:53 UTC  

National Socialism is more like Socialism + Nationalism.

2018-12-05 19:14:07 UTC  

Obviously Authoritarian, but not 100% Fascist.

2018-12-05 19:14:14 UTC  

I mean, some say it wasn't even fascist.

2018-12-05 19:14:14 UTC  

thats why it's a form of socialism

2018-12-05 19:14:23 UTC  

not a copy

2018-12-05 19:14:30 UTC  

Look, you said Fascism is left winged.

2018-12-05 19:14:46 UTC  

Thus, we're talking about Fascism and not National Socialism.

2018-12-05 19:15:19 UTC  

And since Fascism =/= National Socialism, I can't see what you want to prove.

2018-12-05 19:15:24 UTC  

I didn't say fascism is left wing

2018-12-05 19:15:29 UTC  

i said it's a form of socialism

2018-12-05 19:16:04 UTC  

Same thing, wrong again.

2018-12-05 19:16:40 UTC  

If you want to see if Fascism is left or right winged, you need to read the Fascist manifesto, not to investigate Hitler's economic moves.