Message from @IV LI V S

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2018-12-06 17:23:06 UTC  

which is true

2018-12-06 17:23:10 UTC  

It is not

2018-12-06 17:23:14 UTC  

Yes it is

2018-12-06 17:23:31 UTC  

Capitalism as per Adam Smith is the free market

2018-12-06 17:23:36 UTC  

no state intervention

2018-12-06 17:23:40 UTC  

Capitalism, even in anarcho capitalism which is simply to prove the conept under the hardest circumstanes, demosntrates that eventaully a govorening body will emerge from the anarchy and establish the market.

2018-12-06 17:23:47 UTC  

the state is a direct contradiction to capitalism, thats why theres no capitalism

2018-12-06 17:23:53 UTC  

@Bogatyr Bogumir no because nobody will follow the government

2018-12-06 17:23:58 UTC  

so it won't have any power

2018-12-06 17:24:11 UTC  

-> US free market capitalism
-> Started everything by tarrifing british goods

2018-12-06 17:24:11 UTC  

But thats a seperate thing

2018-12-06 17:24:17 UTC  

US is not free market

2018-12-06 17:24:20 UTC  

capitalism

2018-12-06 17:24:22 UTC  

?????

2018-12-06 17:24:31 UTC  

The capitalist system is the mode of production wherein the social relations of production allow for a bourgeois class to exploit workers for profit through m-c-m commodity form against the downward rate of profit

2018-12-06 17:24:37 UTC  

yeah no

2018-12-06 17:24:42 UTC  

Thats just semantics

2018-12-06 17:24:49 UTC  

It's the entirety of analysis

2018-12-06 17:24:50 UTC  

Capitalism is just the free market free from state intervention

2018-12-06 17:24:50 UTC  

I meant mostly that even if there was no govorment, so anarcho capitalism the end game is a superme corporation that takes over eventually, or a force that establishes itself as the govorment and then dictates the market

2018-12-06 17:24:53 UTC  

listen, I'll put it in bite size form to accomodate your attention span:
Capitalism requires enforcable contracts to function, and the state is the only body that can effectively or efficiently enforce them
Capitalism also often requires trade controls to favor domestic producers and consumers, which only the state can effectively enforce
The "Free Market" as we know it requires significant maintenance by the state

2018-12-06 17:24:55 UTC  

the rules of the market

2018-12-06 17:25:00 UTC  

"Capitalism requires enforcable contracts to function, and the state is the only body that can effectively or efficiently enforce them"

2018-12-06 17:25:01 UTC  

no it does not

2018-12-06 17:25:03 UTC  

the free market

2018-12-06 17:25:06 UTC  

allocates the resources

2018-12-06 17:25:11 UTC  

...

2018-12-06 17:25:11 UTC  

Capitalism also often requires trade controls to favor domestic producers and consumers, which only the state can effectively enforce

2018-12-06 17:25:14 UTC  

thats not capitalism^^^

2018-12-06 17:25:21 UTC  

thats protectionism which is a form of socialism

2018-12-06 17:25:23 UTC  

and not capitalism

2018-12-06 17:25:28 UTC  

not if I get him first @el pebble

2018-12-06 17:25:42 UTC  

He has to be like 15 @IV LI V S

2018-12-06 17:25:45 UTC  

I'M 16

2018-12-06 17:25:47 UTC  

lmao

2018-12-06 17:25:50 UTC  

Bingo

2018-12-06 17:25:53 UTC  

gottem

2018-12-06 17:25:54 UTC  

No you said 15

2018-12-06 17:26:02 UTC  

15 is as accurate as your definition of capitalism

2018-12-06 17:26:05 UTC  

Gottem

2018-12-06 17:26:08 UTC  

(Inaccurate)