@Guan the (((NAP))) was the best thing I woke up from, it only works if the behaviors people engage in are not harmful to the society which creates that freedom in the first place

I mean i'm highkey a hedonist so take that with a grain of salt

exactly @Anarchyng i was ancap then i took the traditionalist pill

I

fuck traditionalism

but yeah i don't think freedom is the highest moral good, i think that a society should be going for other goods

*still an anarchist, but i know that if it is possible to have a stateless society it would only be with extreme traditionalism for lack of a better word

why fuck traditionalism?

yes i agree

which is why i think it's only necessary to culturally discourage rather than to outlaw

traditionalism implies that it is virtuous to do something just because it's traditional

no

it decries progress

the tradition is there because it has been tested

can i define what it means to me RAF?

sure

in my mind traditionalism is shorthand for returning to old society where christendom, pre-sexual revolution values, and objective morality are enforced. that can mean a lot of things, of course.

>pre sexual revolution

yes i think it was a mistake

I think values before the sexual revoluton were worse

i disagree

and I mean the issue is that you're using "traditionalism" to refer to one specific tradition

I might just as well say that traditionalism is african tribalism

because that's also a tradition

this is what a lot of traditionalists generally mean, as in western christendom

well in that case I think christian traditionalist would be a better term

sure

it just turns off atheists more if i do that

lol that's true

Yall boys ever fucked a girl in the pooper?

but i guess it turns off most people

maybe american traditionalist?

If not, would you ever?

probably not

cuddling >

@Finesse I have not for girls

Never tried the butt-jew, nope

american traditionalist might be better, but america has some deep set libertine ideas i disagree with

western traditionalist?

gothic traditionalist?

European traditionalism might be an even better term