Even most Hitlerites I've spoken to have recognized that it isn't Socialist

Hail the Kaiser

It’s not Marxist Socialism yes.

Hitler had his definition to encourage actual socialists to follow his ideology instead and attend their meetings. It isn’t *actual* socialism, they just used the term to help convert socialists.

Marxism is a materialist framework which justifies the movement from capitalism to socialism to communism with dialectics. Strasserism is both socialist and anti-dialectical materialism. Ergo, wanting working class ownership of the means of production is not inherently Marxist, and Strasserism itself is anti-Marxist.

So there's not much point in calling yourself a socialist while rejecting socialist policies, and then calling actual existing socialism "marxist".

Stop being a dumb Hitlerite tbh

I wouldn’t say he rejected all socialist policies though. He did do a lot of pro-German worker things. Establishing national labor unions, paid vacations for both blue and white collar workers, etc. The workers had more say in the work place. Also, the end goal of Marxism is a stateless, classless, currencyless society through worker ownership of the means of production.

Marxism is Socialism, Hitlerite National Socialism is not Marxist Socialism.

Strasserism is just a form of Marxist Socialism without the autistic dialectic.

Those policies are merely policies of Social Democracy, not socialism.

Yes, Marxism's end goal is a stateless, moneyless, classless society, so what? How is that relevant to standard socialism? That's just communism.

Strasserism is Marxist Socialism without the Marxist bit :^)

Socialism is watered down communism and merely a transition. Strasserism is just Marxist Socialism without Marxist overtones. It’s still very left wing socialist and focuses only on the material as does Marxism.

What even

How does Socialism differ from Communism actually?

Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society.

I thought we established this already.

And it’s only achieved through workers owning the means of production.

Socialism is only labelled a transition stage under Marxism. But not all Socialism is Marxist, ergo, Socialists who want to keep a Socialist state without reaching Communism are non-marxist.

So what’s the difference?

WHAT

ARE YOU THICK

Its achieved through that, yes. So what? I literally just explained the differences in the systems.

```Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society.```

Yes, like I agreed, communism is achieved through socialism. But not all socialism is communist, ergo not all socialists are marxists.

Both are achieved through workers owning the means of production.

I agree with that, not all socialists are marxists.

Both are socialist, yes?

So what?

They're both a form of socialism. It doesn't make them the same thing you nut.

Was the Soviet Union a truly socialist country?

Depends what year.

I was between c.1929-1956

Under Stalin, yes.

It*

Before Khrushchev's liberalisation and after Lenin's death, basically.

I'd say after the end of the NEP

And before Khrushchev's destalinization

Yeah, but this guy probably doesn't know anything about the USSR outside of propaganda, so I'm using dates which are easy for this brainlet to understand.

Oh ok