Message from @FLanon

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2018-04-09 13:51:26 UTC  

Well

2018-04-09 13:51:58 UTC  

CIA funded Osama Bin Ladin and crew to make sure Afghanistan turned into as deadly a Vietnam as possible

2018-04-09 13:52:03 UTC  

Yeah

2018-04-09 13:52:09 UTC  

It was horrible foresight

2018-04-09 13:52:13 UTC  

Yea

2018-04-09 13:52:24 UTC  

Why did the Soviets even invade Afghanistan?

2018-04-09 13:52:39 UTC  

I think just for more clay

2018-04-09 13:52:49 UTC  

They had plenty holdings in central Asia

2018-04-09 13:52:51 UTC  

The Afghans overthrew the socialist government, so they retaliated with an invasion

2018-04-09 13:53:03 UTC  

Maybe they wanted Naval Ports on the Indian Ocean

2018-04-09 13:53:04 UTC  

They wanted more influence in the region

2018-04-09 13:53:24 UTC  

Afghanistan offers a port to South Asia and the Middle East

2018-04-09 13:53:26 UTC  

Wasn’t it because they were afraid of Islamic revolutions in their southern republics because they were Atheist?

2018-04-09 13:53:41 UTC  

They were

2018-04-09 13:53:45 UTC  

If I were them I'd be planning for an eventual railroad/ highway going from Moscow to the Indian Ocean

2018-04-09 13:53:54 UTC  

The islamic governments were anti-communist to a large extent

2018-04-09 13:53:56 UTC  

Like a forced version of their roads to Crimea

2018-04-09 13:54:13 UTC  

Although Iran did have some backhanded cooperation with both sides

2018-04-09 13:54:57 UTC  

Many of the secular MENA governments were socialist systems propped up by Soviets

2018-04-09 13:55:13 UTC  

Libya, Iraq, Syria, etc

2018-04-09 13:55:18 UTC  

Yeah

2018-04-09 13:55:42 UTC  

In the fall of the cold war, those sort of governments are necessary to protect religious minorities

2018-04-09 13:55:43 UTC  

Iraq went somewhat fundamentalist after the first gulf war

2018-04-09 13:55:54 UTC  

And yea mostly

2018-04-09 13:56:03 UTC  

Unfortunately, Conservative Inc hasn't learned that.

2018-04-09 13:56:12 UTC  

There is a huge problem of Christians getting killed in the Middle East tho

2018-04-09 13:56:24 UTC  

Yeah, of course.

2018-04-09 13:56:34 UTC  

Reason u don't see more Arab Christians or Coptic Christian Egyptians is bc of such atrocities

2018-04-09 13:57:08 UTC  

Yeah, islamic theocracies have a large tendency to force against christians in the ME

2018-04-09 13:57:35 UTC  

That's the reason we need to keep Assad and why we should have kept Hussein and Gaddafi

2018-04-09 13:57:59 UTC  

Even though Tribal religious tendencies are strong in even "monotheistic" African peoples .... a lot of the tension in Africa is Islam vs Christian

2018-04-09 13:58:10 UTC  

Democracy does not work in the ME

2018-04-09 13:59:33 UTC  

Tito helped reign in Yugoslavia, but unlike other socialist dictatorships in fractured regions Tito's regime didn't have a clearly established line of succession

2018-04-09 14:00:11 UTC  

Succession is almost more important in these types of Govts than in Monarchies of old

2018-04-09 14:01:27 UTC  

I hear most people in Saudi Arabia are on the govt dole and only a scarce few natives actually work

2018-04-09 14:01:49 UTC  

Something like a 75% labor non participation rate if u include women iirc

2018-04-09 14:02:03 UTC  

Or 50% if u look at men

2018-04-09 14:02:54 UTC  

I don't think Socialist Monarchies are a long term solution ....

2018-04-09 14:03:31 UTC  

But USA has had reason to be "allied" with several of these "Oil socialist" nations.

2018-04-09 14:04:07 UTC  

Especially after Soviet Union fell

2018-04-09 14:04:44 UTC  

Democracy in ME almost always goes to Islamic Theocracy it's just a fact.