Message from @FLanon

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2018-01-14 22:39:29 UTC  

2 to 1 voters say they voted for Northam to show opposition to Trump

2018-01-14 22:39:45 UTC  

in New Jersey, it was 3 to 1

2018-01-14 22:40:03 UTC  

sauce ?

2018-01-14 22:40:17 UTC  

those people probably would have voted for Northam regardless

2018-01-14 22:41:05 UTC  

and when you interview them as they walk out the polls, then ask them "is showing opposition against Trump a reason" , they could easily say 'yes'

2018-01-14 22:41:20 UTC  

but the thing is, they would have voted for the D candidate anyway

2018-01-14 22:41:50 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676530394923010/402230863074689026/VAelection.png

2018-01-14 22:42:10 UTC  

Jill Vogel, the Trump candidate in the Lieutenant Governor race, got around the same percentage as Trump

2018-01-14 22:42:18 UTC  

while Gillespie, who shunned Trump, got less

2018-01-14 22:42:50 UTC  

I mean, its Virginia, one of the more blue states.

2018-01-14 22:43:46 UTC  

not by much though

2018-01-14 22:45:20 UTC  

also, look at this shift from 2016 to 2017

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676530394923010/402231741370073103/change_in_votes.png

2018-01-14 22:45:32 UTC  

both from Virginia btw

2018-01-14 22:46:12 UTC  

not a big difference

2018-01-14 22:46:14 UTC  

going from +4 Republican to +3 Democrat is a troubling change

2018-01-14 22:46:25 UTC  

it looks like a turnout thing'

2018-01-14 22:46:38 UTC  

true

2018-01-14 22:47:08 UTC  

arguably there are aa loty of Trump voters who stayed home and didn't want Gillespie

2018-01-14 22:47:26 UTC  

again, Vogel did better as the Trump candidate

2018-01-14 22:47:30 UTC  

that's a problem

2018-01-14 22:47:36 UTC  

what did that video of the truck mowing down the kids actually scare them or something

2018-01-14 22:47:50 UTC  

You have to ask though, did people vote for Trump because they actually like his policies, or did people vote for Trump because they were against Clinton

2018-01-14 22:48:05 UTC  

it shoudn't matter who's on the ticket, staying home because you don't like the candidate undercuts Trump's ability to govern

2018-01-14 22:48:29 UTC  

he's still popular within his base, which should be a sign

2018-01-14 22:48:51 UTC  

In 2016, a crapton of Democrats didn't show up to vote for Hillary

2018-01-14 22:49:04 UTC  

over 10,000,000 Democratic voters, actually

2018-01-14 22:49:09 UTC  

our people should 100% make sure to go to the polls when they need to

2018-01-14 22:49:47 UTC  

Yeah, so methinks people just didn't like Hillary and didn't vote, but its different with the midterms, since there is essentially no democrat that is more loathed than Hillary

2018-01-14 22:49:52 UTC  

I think

2018-01-14 22:51:11 UTC  

IDK I'm not really looking for a red storm since i'm a lefty but its pretty interesting to see what you guys think

2018-01-14 22:52:07 UTC  

the thing is, you have to keep in mind that while Hillary being a particularly odious candidate was a significant issue that worked against her, she also had a lot of media shilling on her side

2018-01-14 22:52:21 UTC  

John Kerry didn't have it so lopsided in his favor

2018-01-14 22:52:32 UTC  

I'd even argue that the media was fairer to McCain and Romney

2018-01-14 22:53:13 UTC  

a huge factor we have to consider on a case-by-case basis is how the media treats each candidate in the hundreds of races

2018-01-14 22:53:36 UTC  

in primaries, recognizability is the most important factor, when it came to the dem primaries in 2016, who's more recognizable, the former 1st lady and secretary of state, or a senator from vermont

2018-01-14 22:53:46 UTC  

same with the Rs

2018-01-14 22:53:47 UTC  

I think Trump's base will be much more excited to vote this year than in the special elections last year

2018-01-14 22:53:53 UTC  

Oh,

2018-01-14 22:53:57 UTC  

that reminds me,

2018-01-14 22:53:58 UTC  

special elections in off-season years can be gamed

2018-01-14 22:54:05 UTC  

there's a special election in March,