if Democrats shut down the government over dreamers, it'll cost them

I've heard that angle, not sure if it'll be valid, but it's worth a shot

If Congress can't pass a budget in 5 days, it'll happen

I think personally Trump set the 'DACA deal' up to fail

yeah I know, I'm focusing more on DACA than the shutdown

Trump's been placing the blame on the inevitable fall of the deal on DACA, where he can frame that as the Dems screwing up

It's like a catch-22, if no deal is made, the Dems couldn't save the Dreamers when the Rs were willing to make a deal, if a deal is made, then a shift in the immigration system will have less legal immigration which will cost Dems, also Trump would get the wall which may make Dems look weak.

I don't know how the average voter would interpret it, but fingers are crossed all things considered

"I don't know how the average voter would interpret it,"

yeah, that's the thing

many leftists and minorities will still turn out for the Democrats regardless

I don't even know if DACA is going to be relevant in 10 months

probably not as much were it not for Trump's move

We'll see about what it does, I hope Trump has a good strategy in mind

I think we're better off getting Trumpians and neverTrumpers to turn out along with getting moderates and independents on our side

than to try to depress leftist turnout

you're better off trying to get a leftist to abandon the left first than to convince them not to vote

btw, someone should bump the general

right now

oops

just got archived

oh well

I'll make a new one later tonight

lot of Belgian shills on those threads

lmao yeah, it's probably the same guy though

meanwhile thread w/ subject 'fat fuck' has 300 replies

I've noticed a lot of blatant shilling from posters with European flags

in the early morning

what a shitty website, I swear

when I make it later in the day (beyond 5pm eastern time), it's less dominated by shills

yeah

it's wayyyyy to easy to slide /pol/

quality definitely has been depressed in the last few months

I'm wondering why 'Krautgate' is getting so many threads that easily reach the post limit

I never even bothered to watch "Kraut and Tea"

and don't follow e-celeb drama

eceleb stuff is interesting to people, getting people in office isn't

Elections will become more interesting as they loom closer

from what I gather Kraut got a race realism advocate taken off the internet, then made a discord to dox a bunch of people on the right, it got leaked, then he shut his channel down

There was a thread for the Czech election just a few hours ago

skeptic community dies, end of story

anyways, I think getting the people who voted Trump to vote in the midterms is a good way to go, maybe Trump has some kind of justice plot brewing behind the scenes, but I'm not placing all my chips on that