Message from @Snickers

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2018-01-22 02:28:37 UTC  

how would you offset the debt

2018-01-22 02:28:55 UTC  

whats wrong with the debt? what's wrong with the deficit for that matter

2018-01-22 02:29:25 UTC  

the interest rate the Fed puts on the debt increases as the deficit/debt gets larger

2018-01-22 02:29:48 UTC  

in a couple decades, interest on the debt is going to be one of the largest items of expenditure

2018-01-22 02:30:55 UTC  

this causes a pretty large budget crisis the further out we get, financial crises and the such

2018-01-22 02:31:27 UTC  

lmao didn't intend for this to turn into a debate

2018-01-22 02:32:42 UTC  

When interest rates go up, the government pays more into the debt by increasing the deficit. And because the federal deficit is private sector savings, it will stimulate the economy depending on who is holding the bonds

2018-01-22 02:34:01 UTC  

I don't think that's very sustainable though

2018-01-22 02:34:11 UTC  

seems a bit of a Keynes thing

2018-01-22 02:34:29 UTC  

Also with regard to the interest rates, we don't really know whether or not it will speed up or slow down the economy

2018-01-22 02:35:41 UTC  

I guess I would fall more towards Keynes, but I guess I would be a post-Keynesian, more specifically someone who follows MMT

2018-01-22 02:37:16 UTC  

I'm more of a per capita economic kind of guy

2018-01-22 02:38:00 UTC  

When I think about a program or something, I think: would this better the life of the average American or would they be better keeping their own money

2018-01-22 02:38:06 UTC  

Also with regard to whether or not a debt level is sustainable or not, just know that we can never go bankrupt with our own money, since we the US gov is the currency issuer, not the user.

2018-01-22 02:38:36 UTC  

of course, but devaluing and the such could become a problem

2018-01-22 02:39:24 UTC  

That's why we have taxes

2018-01-22 02:39:52 UTC  

One main function of taxes is to regulate our spending power

2018-01-22 02:41:31 UTC  

But regardless, if you mean "devaluing" as in inflation, then I think its a bit exaggerated

2018-01-22 02:41:39 UTC  

by what means

2018-01-22 02:43:16 UTC  

It's poorly understood is what I meant to say. Inflation isn't always caused by government spending

2018-01-22 02:43:44 UTC  

I would say unemployment is a way bigger problem tbh

2018-01-22 02:43:52 UTC  

well yeah, obviously the government isn't printing 3 trillion notes per year

2018-01-22 02:44:06 UTC  

it's velocity of spending

2018-01-22 02:44:14 UTC  

Right

2018-01-22 02:45:30 UTC  

I would agree with that; It would certainly cause an inflationary crises if we all just went and funded free college, medicaid, etc. in one night

2018-01-22 02:47:11 UTC  

The issue is that the US dollar is like a sort of lingua franca of currency for foreign investors, I don't think a lot of them would continue to use it if it were to be tampered with too much

2018-01-22 02:47:23 UTC  

Also, the issue of what people do with their savings

2018-01-22 02:47:33 UTC  

In general the government should be held responsible to avoid any price inflation when competing for scarce resources, but at the same time make sure we have decent living standards and full employment

2018-01-22 02:47:51 UTC  

100%

2018-01-22 02:48:42 UTC  

I think we ought to economically make it manageable for a family to have enough money to meet the standard of living of 4 people from one source of income

2018-01-22 02:49:05 UTC  

I think one parent should be responsible for child-rearing, the other at work

2018-01-22 02:50:22 UTC  

The issue of families raising their kids with entertainment is partially what's causing all this social degredation (at least from my view and most of the right)

2018-01-22 02:50:28 UTC  

There are constraints that we should be worried about; inflation and resources are two of them. But whether or not we can pay for it is not one of them

2018-01-22 02:50:39 UTC  

What you guys talking about

2018-01-22 02:50:55 UTC  

economics

2018-01-22 02:51:18 UTC  

Sounds neat

2018-01-22 02:51:33 UTC  

When are we starting another Red Wave Thread On pol

2018-01-22 02:51:34 UTC  

IE the problem with social security isn't whether or not we will run out of money, but it is if there are enough labor output and resources for everyone on social security to buy what they want without any scarcity. This is why full employment is essential

2018-01-22 02:52:13 UTC  

not just that, but families who can sustain themselves need to start having children

2018-01-22 02:52:45 UTC  

I can never buy the idea that immigrants will pay for social programs, it's the most ridiculous and stupid idea I've ever heard

2018-01-22 02:53:19 UTC  

I think they tried that in Sweden and then they had to INCREASE the retirement age