Message from @DrPeper

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2018-09-02 23:36:14 UTC  

So, what is the difference?

2018-09-02 23:37:29 UTC  

🤔

2018-09-02 23:37:41 UTC  

The better question is what *is* the differences.

2018-09-02 23:37:57 UTC  

Mitch is like " duh.. Batman and Bruce Wayne is not the same guy... "

2018-09-02 23:38:41 UTC  

But at the end of the day... Batman and his god is just a made up comic hero

2018-09-02 23:38:55 UTC  

And a bad one in the case of god

2018-09-02 23:38:56 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484515915069784085/485956826521927693/really.png

2018-09-02 23:39:07 UTC  

That's not what I am saying at all.

2018-09-02 23:39:27 UTC  

Prove to me that they are the same god.

2018-09-02 23:39:52 UTC  

Change the subject then huh.

2018-09-02 23:40:03 UTC  

This is religious debate.

2018-09-02 23:40:14 UTC  

Smh.

2018-09-02 23:40:58 UTC  

section 3

2018-09-02 23:48:22 UTC  

Hm.

2018-09-03 08:04:06 UTC  

hm

2018-09-03 09:09:23 UTC  

Hm

2018-09-03 09:11:37 UTC  

Also yeah Islam, Jewdism and Christianity have the same God, it goes old testament -> new testament -> Qur'an

2018-09-03 09:12:44 UTC  

Where they all go, "yeah God's chosen dude? Not that guy it's this guy" and everyone was completely okay with it and nothing bad ever happened because of it

2018-09-03 09:54:03 UTC  

@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS I'm not a religious person, but I can already tell that you know very little about the Abrahamic faiths. In Judaism, they only believe in the first-five books of the Old Testament, which they call the; "Torah" and they believe in only YHWH god deity, which I would consider to be the Demiurge=El Saturn himself. In Islam, they also believe in only 1 god, however, Allah is not truly personal, knowable, or approachable. The Qur’an depicts him more judgmental than gracious. He exists as a singular unity who has no *partners.* In fact, to call Jesus the Son of God is to commit the unpardonable sin, or shirk. Of the 99 names for God in the Qur’an, Father is not one of them. In Islam, it is considered blasphemous to *presume* that one can know God or claim any sort of close, personal fellowship with Allah. He reveals his will, not himself. The Bible depicts God as He knows us; but more than that, He is knowable and approachable. He created us in His image with personality, thought, and will for the purpose of enjoying an everlasting, unbreakable, intimate relationship with Him. He exists as a Trinity in eternal relationship as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In fact, God is so knowable, He came in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth according to the Christian teachings, so they are not the same "God", when you take different personalities and Jesus into consideration, but I myself do have some crticism of the OT & some of the NT passages, and I believe that they seem to be having a connection with what the Gnostics would refer to as the Demiurge, but just under different names/cultures.

2018-09-03 13:32:15 UTC  

Wait, are you saying jews and Christians don't worship the same god?

2018-09-03 13:32:50 UTC  

Or just Muslims worship a different god? @Livxly Dxll

2018-09-03 13:56:24 UTC  

Ok I was mostly oversimplifiing tov make a joke there and not wanting to start anything. Also you say you aren't religious yet have the thesit tag <:thonk:485324336874651650> but I'm like 90% that the one abarhamic god is written about in all three of those religions.

Why would it matter if Jesus was the son of God to a Muslim if a Muslim rejected the idea of god having a son in the first place it wouldn't factor in to the god that they worship right?

The idea of god being kind and loving is also one that came in and out of "fashion" across the testimants. If God can change from more harsh to less harsh in the new testament surely it's not out of the picture to assume he can go back to being harsher. Just because he changed doesn't mean he is a new god.

Especially if what the Qur'an says about Jesus predicting Muhammad would come being true, as well as the many references to Jesus in the Qur'an and the idea that Jesus will fight on behalf of Allah and describe himself as a follower of Islam.

Your way of disputing the idea that the same God is worshiped across all 3 seems quite biased towards a Christian veiw.

2018-09-03 21:09:09 UTC  

It is the same God

2018-09-03 21:09:25 UTC  

The difference in the religions is each sides take on what that God actually is

2018-09-03 21:09:43 UTC  

In this sense, Light is correct

2018-09-03 21:10:17 UTC  

Islam views God as impersonal and judgmental, existing solely as a supreme ruler that decides the ultimate fate of every living thing.

2018-09-03 21:11:53 UTC  

Judaism views God similarly to the Christian view, but with an implicit bias towards works. To the Jew, God is there to punish and forgive, and he protects and cares solely for those who follow Judaism. All that exists around Judaism can be used by God to punish or help the followers of the Jewish religion.

2018-09-03 21:12:13 UTC  

@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS Being a Theist doesn't equate to religion. If you're still stuck in that materialist mentality and think of it as just Atheism vs Religion, maybe you should look into neuroscience & choose neither pills. I'm an idealist, because I know for a fact that there is more to reality than meets the eye. And yeah, the Abrahamic god is presented/mentioned in all three, but particularly in the Old Testament, however, I look at the whole deity of Christ from a Gnostic perspective and to me, YHWH is not the Father that Jesus was speaking of, and I would argue that it's what the Gnostics would refer to as the Demiurge, and the same goes for Allah. Not all Gnostics are the same, in fact, some think that the entire deity of Jesus is too good to be true or just another set of traps to put you in guilt-trip in compairson, but from my perspective - He was sent by the real Father that we don't even know its name of, and to bring knowledge = gnosis onto the ignorant and for those that are willing to go on a pursuit of genuine truth, and to try getting out of this 3D hellhole, which I don't believe to be our first experience...perhaps the whole notion of some people remembering past lives, the sensation of Deja vu, etc...would be clues and in 101 Gnosticism, people who don't get it right won't be damned for eternity the way the Abrahamic faiths would put it, but instead, be tortured till they forget their memories & be given countless amount of chances till they get it right, but the consequences will be different...perhaps they will be born into the rougher areas of the world and suffer more for whatever particular reason it might be, but that is just speculation. I look at the entire experience as a form of reconcilation.

2018-09-03 21:12:19 UTC  

And sorry for this long post btw.

2018-09-03 21:13:46 UTC  

Christianity views God as an all powerful entity that is also personal. God cares about each person regardless of what they believe, but seeks for Christians to convert those around them to their cause. To the Christian, God is a loving being and the trials of life are either to bring one closer to God or allowed as trials to rest one’s faith.

2018-09-03 21:14:27 UTC  

The ultimate deciding factor for a Christian is the acknowledgement of Jesus as God himself, and that Jesus died specifically for others.

2018-09-03 21:15:00 UTC  

It is the same God, but radically different takes on that God

2018-09-03 21:16:02 UTC  

But yeah, I try to stay away from ideas that put you in a box of fear and the conditions are; "Either this, or you're damned", because it sounds like what exactly the Demiurge would do to keep the unilluminated in-check and what @Ætos's saying is true.

2018-09-03 21:22:13 UTC  

But yeah, there are some truths in the Exoteric religions to keep people still interested, but just enough to keep them still as blind men walking upon outer darkness from my perspective. I'm more into the Esoteric ideas and there's a reason that, they've given religious people a preconceived notion about this, and they immediately think that we're into child-ritual sacrifices, cannibalism and all sorts of sickening sutff that only people who are into the darker arts would commit. There's already enough misery in this world as it is, so I'm not interested in that aspect.

2018-09-03 21:24:04 UTC  

🤔 that Vortex Bot aint gettin u guys for lengthy posts huh
-- It got Me though ..juss an hour ago, lol smh, ..
-- yep,.. and deleted my whole post/"paragraph" that i wrote ...
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2018-09-03 21:24:31 UTC  

Not yet

2018-09-03 21:41:24 UTC  

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2018-09-04 04:25:51 UTC  

@Soldz (CF) Curious why evidence of demons was your lead question?

2018-09-04 04:27:48 UTC  

Cause

2018-09-04 04:27:52 UTC  

No one answers it seriously