Message from @Lancelot

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2019-03-17 21:20:45 UTC  

what's your point

2019-03-17 21:20:58 UTC  

do you know where those billions go to?

2019-03-17 21:22:40 UTC  

and my point it, that we should first stop using excess vaccines, furthermore replacing the aluminum salts with safer adjuvants (AHCC) and make the production organic.
One step between these three steps and today is to create a third party quality mark

2019-03-17 21:22:59 UTC  

wait, this brings a new idea: should there be a quality mark for vaccines?

2019-03-17 21:23:07 UTC  

okay

2019-03-17 21:23:12 UTC  

where do those billions of dollars go to

2019-03-17 21:23:19 UTC  

you seem to know

2019-03-17 21:23:24 UTC  

so share the answer instead of just asking us

2019-03-17 21:24:00 UTC  

I just give you the time to think or research

2019-03-17 21:24:22 UTC  

and since google is censoring information critical towards vaccination, use duckduckgo instead

2019-03-17 21:27:23 UTC  

interestingly, there are studies debunking the effectiveness of the flu shot:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/
chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4181477/pdf/irv0008-0293.pdf
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/193139
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3209321/ (lower levels of antibodies on average in vaccinated children (flu))

2019-03-17 21:27:40 UTC  

one way to test the effectiveness of a vaccine for individuals, is through blood titer tests

2019-03-17 21:52:25 UTC  

and lastly, for those who think vaccines are safe, do your own research logically using ddg as a search engine, then think again

2019-03-17 21:53:52 UTC  

vaccines make live

2019-03-17 21:53:59 UTC  

case closed

2019-03-17 22:01:27 UTC  

i'm sure vaccines can be improved exponentially especially as we just naturally improve over time with our scientific discoveries and findings. my only argument was that it is very ignorant and illogical to be against vaccines as a whole as opposed to the alternative of "natural" remedies and vitamins and whatever which are not potent enough for the more serious "eradicated" diseases that have been reportedly popping up again.

2019-03-17 22:23:33 UTC  

would you rather? eliminate the disease or eliminate it's deaths and complications?

2019-03-17 23:44:37 UTC  

definitely the death and complications, but unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and we have to make do with what we have. there's a difference between pushing forward ideas for improved vaccines and safer/alternative methods of administering them (for instance i remember some sort of puff of air type of vaccination) vs spreading fear-mongering propaganda which is potentially much more harmful to the kids and their peers around them who would end up unvaccinated

2019-03-18 16:25:35 UTC  

either getting no necessary vaccines or getting excess vaccines is a bad idea. Thoughts on chicken pox and swine flu?

2019-03-18 16:30:52 UTC  

in Europe, there won't be any vaccines used for chicken pox and swine flu

2019-03-18 16:32:00 UTC  

ask yourself, for which diseases has the US vaccines in schedule that European nations haven't for?

2019-03-18 16:34:57 UTC  

further more, i saw something about a rhinovirus vaccine being on its way. for those who don't know that's the common cold. imo there is no worse idea than that; do we want to go back to being Neanderthals dying of a common cold since it's been vaccinated against so we've evolved away from being able to cope with it? i'd say no. so in short: excessive vaccination against diseases that we have no hope of eradicating is a bad idea but if we can eradicate it i think we should

2019-03-18 16:36:02 UTC  

which two factors significantly decreased deaths and harsh complications before the introduction of vaccines?

2019-03-18 16:51:32 UTC  

antibiotics for bacteria infection and better care but if you can eradicate a disease entirely surely that's a better option as bacteria do develop resistances to antibiotics (ik there is some research into phage organisms iirc which has found that they can kill the bacteria and for the bacteria to become resistant to them they have to sacrifice resistance to antibiotics which is rather interesting)

2019-03-18 17:09:57 UTC  

What i want is evidence that vaccines dont help

2019-03-18 17:11:39 UTC  

you can do your own research without using biased search engines like google. As there is an algorithm that cherry-picks studies

2019-03-18 17:15:46 UTC  

vaccines do help and work but there are problems with them especially when they're used too much

2019-03-18 18:15:51 UTC  

the necessary vaccines help, these are of course for diseases like whooping cough, dipheteria, tetanus, meningococcus and pertussis

2019-03-18 18:15:58 UTC  

some are excessive, like the flu vaccine

2019-03-18 20:47:00 UTC  

the flu vaccine is excessive just so the flu is usually not as bad as if you didnt take it

2019-03-18 21:24:16 UTC  

yeah the flu vaccine is more of a 50/50 right? and it's better to build up the immunity and even if it is a "strain" as such that can kill you it can be treated anyway right?

2019-03-19 00:32:35 UTC  

really 50/50

2019-03-19 00:32:43 UTC  

I expected a higher probability

2019-03-19 00:32:54 UTC  

Well

2019-03-19 00:33:24 UTC  

First off

2019-03-19 00:33:33 UTC  

The influenza virus has multiple strains

2019-03-19 00:33:41 UTC  

scientist guess one of those strains each year to vaccinate

2019-03-19 00:34:00 UTC  

so it wouldn't really be the exact strand that defininitive year

2019-03-19 00:34:06 UTC  

Their guessing

2019-03-19 00:34:20 UTC  

So its more like 1/1000 for it to work, numbers are off though as this is only a quick explamation

2019-03-19 07:02:08 UTC  

the reason why im ugly is vaccines