Message from @Lancelot
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how is it a flawed argument when these cases of dangerous vaccines are less than a fraction of a percent
this is the exact result of blowing up a problem that barely exists
there's so many other harmful side effects to other daily facets of life like food chemicals that are FDA sanctioned yet you choose to waste your time because autism is the worst thing that can ever happen to a person
Sure it doesn't mean someone's going to flat out die without a vaccine
But its an unneeded risk that we as a fairly technologically advanced society do not wish to take for the betterment of society
Not only do unvaccinated kids pose risk on themselves but on others
even the deaths are a fraction of that percent
and even when combined with complications today
this is like specifically choosing not to seek out professional help when you break a limb, get a blood clot, need surgery, etc., and perform progressive matters yourselves because of your unnatural fear of modern medicine
Furthermore, vaccines are highly lucrative, here are some websites about the vaccine market:
https://www.transparencymarketresearch.com/global-vaccine-market.html
https://www.fiercepharma.com/special-report/top-15-pharma-companies-by-2014-revenue
i'm sure they are
it's a billion dollar industry
what's your point
do you know where those billions go to?
and my point it, that we should first stop using excess vaccines, furthermore replacing the aluminum salts with safer adjuvants (AHCC) and make the production organic.
One step between these three steps and today is to create a third party quality mark
wait, this brings a new idea: should there be a quality mark for vaccines?
okay
where do those billions of dollars go to
you seem to know
so share the answer instead of just asking us
and since google is censoring information critical towards vaccination, use duckduckgo instead
interestingly, there are studies debunking the effectiveness of the flu shot:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/
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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/193139
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3209321/ (lower levels of antibodies on average in vaccinated children (flu))
one way to test the effectiveness of a vaccine for individuals, is through blood titer tests
and lastly, for those who think vaccines are safe, do your own research logically using ddg as a search engine, then think again
vaccines make live
case closed
i'm sure vaccines can be improved exponentially especially as we just naturally improve over time with our scientific discoveries and findings. my only argument was that it is very ignorant and illogical to be against vaccines as a whole as opposed to the alternative of "natural" remedies and vitamins and whatever which are not potent enough for the more serious "eradicated" diseases that have been reportedly popping up again.
would you rather? eliminate the disease or eliminate it's deaths and complications?
definitely the death and complications, but unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and we have to make do with what we have. there's a difference between pushing forward ideas for improved vaccines and safer/alternative methods of administering them (for instance i remember some sort of puff of air type of vaccination) vs spreading fear-mongering propaganda which is potentially much more harmful to the kids and their peers around them who would end up unvaccinated
either getting no necessary vaccines or getting excess vaccines is a bad idea. Thoughts on chicken pox and swine flu?
in Europe, there won't be any vaccines used for chicken pox and swine flu
ask yourself, for which diseases has the US vaccines in schedule that European nations haven't for?
further more, i saw something about a rhinovirus vaccine being on its way. for those who don't know that's the common cold. imo there is no worse idea than that; do we want to go back to being Neanderthals dying of a common cold since it's been vaccinated against so we've evolved away from being able to cope with it? i'd say no. so in short: excessive vaccination against diseases that we have no hope of eradicating is a bad idea but if we can eradicate it i think we should
which two factors significantly decreased deaths and harsh complications before the introduction of vaccines?
antibiotics for bacteria infection and better care but if you can eradicate a disease entirely surely that's a better option as bacteria do develop resistances to antibiotics (ik there is some research into phage organisms iirc which has found that they can kill the bacteria and for the bacteria to become resistant to them they have to sacrifice resistance to antibiotics which is rather interesting)
What i want is evidence that vaccines dont help
you can do your own research without using biased search engines like google. As there is an algorithm that cherry-picks studies
vaccines do help and work but there are problems with them especially when they're used too much
the necessary vaccines help, these are of course for diseases like whooping cough, dipheteria, tetanus, meningococcus and pertussis
some are excessive, like the flu vaccine