Message from @nef
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why do we orbit?
Prove it.
prove stuff orbits?
We dont orbit anything
prove it
oh yeah I forgot flat earth has it all above earth itself
sir as a flat earther it is your burden to provide evidence the earth is flat
Go outside and look
why is every other planet we view round btw
sir , i already told you that i reject observations because the senses may be unreliable
Logical fallacy. Assuming the consequence
wait what does the bottom of the earth look like if its flat?\
Saying something is round then saying that means another thing is round is illogical
why would earth be flat but nothing else be?
sir you are assuming the consequence when you assume your senses are reliable. please do not commit the fallacies you accuse others of committing
FECORE Laser Level Experiments https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bV8hCkvT7gRFkoR6J0AY1mDwYfQR7PAg/view
other flat earhters say it's water.
Not senses
Measurements
sir i reject the evidence in your link because the senses may be unreliable
senses are the only reason we can take measurments
!mute @EliteGamer
EliteGamer#0106 (457781352234876930) is now muted for '**Unspecified.**', alright? <:THUMBSUP6:403560443345371137>
Persistent debate trolls. Go somewhere else to argue. Im not here to have an endless debate.
Im willing to answer one question at a time but im not going to.be patronized or mocked nor will i entertain persistant debate here is what i think trolls.
luckily im not patronizing or mocking you
Never said you were
The other person was
me?
not sure who that was directed to so I just said regardless
anyway I'm gonna go play some war thunder you had some pretty good points @Citizen Z peace
Later
So this video is a ship sailing off into the horizon, you can see it doesn't fade off into the distance, it slowly sinks into the distance until you can only see the mast. When it sinks it's going along the Curvature of the earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Akip2Ev_N8
When the angular resolution limits of the eye or lens are reached, the light is no longer resolvable
This is how angular resolution works physically in the eye.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459802853524111361/1_EN.png
Cameras work the same way.
The cones of the retina is a zoom in of the eye. If the angular size of the target is not enough to activate more than a single cones/sensor the object is unresolvable.
There are 3 ways to decrease angular separation.
1. Move the two separate targets further or closer together.
2.Increase the distance.
3. Change the angle of view.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459805458644074511/angseperation.jpg
First here is a demonstration of how angle of view changes the angular separation of 2 targets. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459806914331541504/unknown.png
For example in this image, as the stop sign's angular size shrinks from distance or angle, the image that prjected onto the retina also shrinks. Eventually it will reach such as small size the eye can not physically detect the light. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459808085436006410/refraction_cornea.png
A geometric analogy would be closing a pair of scissors. When the scissor tips are closer together than the spacing between the rods and cones of the eye then you get to see the target. The point where the tips cross from too close to normal vision is the angular resolution.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459817803038326784/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459818062858682368/65116694_resized550bbc_sg_g4_eye.png
When the angle of view becomes to much it pretty much goes parallel, but you lose sight of the ground before that. It's the same on the globe too but even worse because the angle of view is increasing quicker because of the curving away of the ball surface.
These next images show someone how the angle stays the same but the area that you are actually observing increases. You can see the 5th image how the bottom of a building would disappear.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459819761644077057/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459813762132869126/ang1.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459813783464968206/ang2.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459813767576813578/ang4.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459813769548267542/ang5.png
Angular Resolution https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/459052120495095818/Angular_Resolution_01_v001.webp
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/459052123091632138/Angular_Resolution_02_v001.webp
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/459052121896124436/Angular_Resolution_03_v002_1.webp
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/459052121065783297/Angular_Resolution_04_v002.webp
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/459052122537721856/Angular_Resolution_05_v004.webp
https://plus.google.com/116502556172406985386/posts/Qegqk1jSNEE
https://plus.google.com/116502556172406985386/posts/fzjPdL8H7FX
https://plus.google.com/116502556172406985386/posts/4D6qoxFBSEy
The cone does reverse inside the eye.
Light is projected on to the retina. We don't see things directly.
It goes through the lens is projected and inverted. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/466469361562026015/kan_ch26_f001.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/466469513500688384/retinaimage.png Those images are right for a single point of light. This is part of another misconception. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468563187713835020/unknown.png This illustrate how we would see a SINGLE point of light. Say a single photon reflecting off the molecule of a wall
Take notice how it emanates in a sphere. Now what we see is the light reflecting from EVERY molecule spherical , and traveling out. The important thing is this. The airy disks I started with.
That is what EACH point is.
Trillions (probably more) of points of light. We don't see each point. We can only differentiate points to the angular resolution limit.
So a trillion points in a 4 ft space at 3 miles looks like a point. Think of the horizon as a bunch of points of light, and not as a building , a boat or mountain.
Then equate an entire object to a point of light. As far as the angle goes. The angular size on an object has the same angular size when projected onto the retina.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468565104326082575/unknown.png All those angles between features of objects in the room are identical to the angles of the corresponding projected image of that room. (projected onto the retina)
So something that is 10 ft in real life and has an angular size of 3 degrees. When projected to the retina it's angle is still 3 degrees but it's actual size is .5 mm
projected to the retina.
So knowing that angular size decrease with distance. When I get far enough away from that something and it's angular size shrinks outside AND inside my eye. Eventually the angle being projected on to the retina is too small for the cells and photoreceptors to form an image from. You have to think of it like this. Whatever we see or photograph whatever is being captured by the lens is being projected to the retina. Only it is a physically tiny version of what you are seeing. So if a building is "trillions" of points of light...each point of light on that building will come to the eye at a different angle. The bottom angles will be unresolvable before the top angles because they close sooner in the back of the eye or camera. The angle is tilted away more. Think of rotating a piece of paper. You hold the paper in front.
Rotate the top away until the sheet is parallel.
and you are looking down the edge.
Now imagine you put a circle on top and bottom of the sheet and did it all over again.
Before the tilting of the angle the spots would appear a good distance away from each other. But as you rotate the paper those 2 circles will appear to be close.
The top of a building is not rotated as much from the plane of the retina compared the the bottom at equal distances.