Message from @Citizen Z

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2019-02-04 23:45:43 UTC  

The earth is a trapiziod

2019-02-04 23:55:12 UTC  

uhuh

2019-02-06 05:37:44 UTC  

Do flat earthers have an explanation for why there is a Southern polar star but no South pole on any flat Earth models?

2019-02-06 06:53:52 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/542598788309581834/Screenshot_20180713-013633_YouTube.jpg

2019-02-06 06:53:56 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/542598806093561876/Screenshot_20180713-013648_YouTube.jpg

2019-02-06 06:53:59 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/542598818911223808/Grand20Lake20Star20Trails20with20Script-L.png

2019-02-06 06:54:12 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/542598872883527680/Screenshot_20180713-013739_YouTube.jpg

2019-02-06 06:54:25 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/542598927342370816/maxresdefault.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/542598927342370818/image-1-1.png

2019-02-06 06:57:40 UTC  

If we were on a spinning ball we would see straight lines across the sky not perfect circuits around the magnetic poles as if it's a magnetic field.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/542599744892043264/Screenshot_20180709-132548_YouTube.jpg

2019-02-06 14:00:00 UTC  

From that very last image, im guessing that's supposed to be a globe and the lines are showing the star trails

2019-02-06 14:01:06 UTC  

Those are straight lines from that perspective, but that isn't the same perspective of the stars that we have standing on Earth.

2019-02-06 14:04:07 UTC  

The lines are straight from the perspective of, let's say, floating in space away from Earth with the stars that close, but from the perspective of being on Earth, you can see the lines from the trails, and the ones away from your near center vision, about to the left and right, let's say the north and south poles were to the left and right, are visibly circles and not straight lines.

2019-02-06 14:04:31 UTC  

It's hard to explain, and is mostly visual

2019-02-06 14:10:30 UTC  

I explained that poorly, but a better version is that it's like hula hoops. If you have a hula hoop and hold it out towards you perfectly horizontally, it can look like a straight line. But when you raise the hula hoop above your head, it's a circle.

2019-02-06 14:55:56 UTC  

So by saying the star trails are like a hula hoop you are saying the stars are moving and the earth is stationary. Either way the lines are straight.

Cuz if you wanted to model it right. You would need to say we are standing on the outside of the hulu hoop, looking outward, in which case the lines would be straight also. I dont think you understand how simple this is. Star trails prove we are not on a spinning ball. Doesn't mean it's a flat earth. Just not a spinning ball.

2019-02-06 15:40:51 UTC  

The lines are curved because the earth is spinning, those images you provided support the claim that the earth is found

2019-02-06 15:40:54 UTC  

round

2019-02-06 16:13:23 UTC  

No. The images show the star circuits matching a basic toroidial field. If we were on a spinning ball you would see straight lines if you looked directly above you. But you dont, you see rounded circuits bending around the poles just as if you are looking at toroidial field from below it.

2019-02-06 23:04:22 UTC  

Those images of the stars aren't looking straight up, and one of them is using a wide angled lense

2019-02-06 23:05:30 UTC  

If you used a regular lense and positioned your camera so that the stars were completely vertical, they would be straight

2019-02-06 23:05:43 UTC  

They dont look straight because we aren't on a spinning globe

2019-02-06 23:06:01 UTC  

No they dont look straight

2019-02-06 23:06:19 UTC  

Show me straight star trails away from the equator

2019-02-06 23:07:50 UTC  

How straight, for each trail to be straight?

2019-02-06 23:09:32 UTC  

Ima eat then brb

2019-02-06 23:24:34 UTC  

They would all be straight if you were on a spinning ball

2019-02-06 23:26:37 UTC  
2019-02-06 23:29:54 UTC  

Watch the video. There is more to it then what I've said

2019-02-07 03:01:53 UTC  

Ok, now I get what you're saying.
The photo at 4:53 is using a wide angled lens I think, but the other photos, that's just how it would look on a spinning ball. The star trails you made on paper would look like straight lines, but that isn't the perspective people take photos from on Earth. If you drew the star trails *on* the ball, not away from it, then the stars would curve away from the equator because those stars aren't on the equator. Only the stars on the equator make straight lines.

2019-02-07 03:03:32 UTC  

Stars basically curve away from the equator because they aren't aligned with the equator, or not on the equator, so they're "trailing" but angled away from the equator

2019-02-07 03:04:08 UTC  

It's hard to explain because it's mostly visual, but try drawing it from the perspective of being on the ball, and it would do the same thing.

2019-02-07 03:33:48 UTC  

Perspective. That's a new one for the globe theory 😂

2019-02-07 05:39:21 UTC  

Im not talking about the perspective formula or whatevs, Im talking about the angle at which you look at something

2019-02-07 05:40:03 UTC  

From the angle you drew on paper, the lines are straight. From the perspective of standing *on* the ball, it would look the same as in the photos.

2019-02-07 05:40:47 UTC  

You're drawing the star trails from a different perspective than the actual photos

2019-02-07 05:44:37 UTC  

Quick question: @Citizen Z you said that the stars follow paths similar to that of a magnetic field. Slight problem with that, a flat Earth can't have two magnetic poles that would result in a field of that shape, because South has to always point outwards. Since the south pole would be stretched out over the ice wall, kind of like a ring magnet, you wouldn't get the patterns seen above, because there's no pole for the stars to move around.

2019-02-07 06:30:14 UTC  

yeh, same reason why a southern polar star is impossible on a flat Earth yet it exists

2019-02-07 12:22:25 UTC  

Think of a bar magnet

2019-02-07 12:25:05 UTC  

Yes, I am thinking of a bar magnet. The problem is that it doesn't work. A bar magnet has two distinct poles, around which the field can form. A flat Earth does not have two distinct poles around which that field can form.

2019-02-07 12:32:45 UTC  

Yes we do. The north and south

2019-02-07 12:33:12 UTC  

And where is the South Pole located on the Flat Earth map?