Message from @Pinnaplia

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2019-04-23 01:20:41 UTC  

Ye

2019-04-23 01:20:44 UTC  

I thought it was not knowing

2019-04-23 01:20:51 UTC  

Whether there was or wasn't

2019-04-23 01:20:58 UTC  

Well then probably not

2019-04-23 01:21:15 UTC  

Oh wait it's both

2019-04-23 01:21:18 UTC  

The definition of atheist I take to is a person who isnt convinced by a god or gods

2019-04-23 01:21:19 UTC  

Wut

2019-04-23 01:21:25 UTC  

Words mate

2019-04-23 01:21:35 UTC  

That's why you always gotta clarify the definitions before going into a debate

2019-04-23 01:21:40 UTC  

If you care about it, that is

2019-04-23 01:22:11 UTC  

Yeah, I've had so many agreements when that was the only inhibitor

2019-04-23 01:22:12 UTC  

@Credibly Charted isn't God supposedly omnibenevolent and omnipotent?

2019-04-23 01:22:59 UTC  

Yeah

2019-04-23 01:23:05 UTC  

It's funny actually because that's the definition of God that can be disproven, and theres this quote I love which goes

2019-04-23 01:23:21 UTC  

The only part of that, that I don't beleive in is Omnicient.

2019-04-23 01:24:30 UTC  

"If God is omnibenevolent and omnipotent, then, as there is evil on earth, is he capable of stopping evil but does not do so? Then he is not omnibenevolent. And if he is willing to stop evil, but cannot, then he must not be omnipotent.
And if he is neither... Then why call him a god?"

2019-04-23 01:24:54 UTC  

It doesn't go exactly like that but that's the idea

2019-04-23 01:25:43 UTC  

Ah thats nice, but if everything about god is true, then he must not be omnibenevolent, as Earth looks like an expieriment

2019-04-23 01:25:48 UTC  

@Pinnaplia you can't believe in omnipotence without believing in omniscience

2019-04-23 01:26:04 UTC  

Omnipotence includes omniscience

2019-04-23 01:26:30 UTC  

Well Omnipotence is all powerful and all knowing yes?

2019-04-23 01:27:22 UTC  

If so, our definition is relative as we cannot comprehend what Omnipotence is, so it would just mean power and knowlage beyond our understanding.

2019-04-23 01:27:28 UTC  

But yes you did correct me

2019-04-23 01:27:38 UTC  

For everyone debating with me about how east works on a globe have a look at this please https://youtu.be/rfunPaUrWwo

2019-04-23 01:27:51 UTC  

Omnipotence, by definition, means all powerful

2019-04-23 01:27:56 UTC  

Aka with the power to do anything

2019-04-23 01:27:59 UTC  

And it's impossible

2019-04-23 01:28:32 UTC  

I can disprove any omnipotent being you believe in with one dare

2019-04-23 01:28:54 UTC  

Ask that omnipotent being to create an object so heavy that he himself cannot lift it

2019-04-23 01:28:57 UTC  

Well, what if that being possed all the power in the universe, then as long as "anything" is limited to the bounds of everything possible, then he could be all powerful.

2019-04-23 01:29:12 UTC  

No that's not all powerful

2019-04-23 01:29:21 UTC  

Very very powerful beyond our understanding isn't omnipotent

2019-04-23 01:29:39 UTC  

True

2019-04-23 01:29:57 UTC  

Omnipotence is very specifically the power to do all things

2019-04-23 01:30:02 UTC  

But I'm trying to give you a better definition of God

2019-04-23 01:30:05 UTC  

I like that one the rock too heavy for god to lift

2019-04-23 01:30:34 UTC  

Your definition of God is like that of many others, by elimination

2019-04-23 01:30:50 UTC  

God cannot be omnipotent, so just make him very very powerful

2019-04-23 01:31:22 UTC  

God also can't be omnibenevolent because there's evil (not good wtf me) on the earth so... Insert whatever reason here

2019-04-23 01:31:32 UTC  

Im not trying to do that, I'm just saying if religious people wanted their definition to be correct, this is the closest thing they could get.

2019-04-23 01:31:52 UTC  

Aight I slightly misunderstood you