your presuming I'm using reasoning

I'm not using reasoning to determine what is real

I'm using observations

Have you observed God?

reasoning is used to determine which model best represents reality

globe theory or flat earth theory

flat earth theory is more closer to reality

Mm, we're talking about God mate.

therefore GOD exists

So God is your opinions' validation?

bible is proven, at least old testament

the firmament might not be a phisical thing.... such as an energy projection/manifestation all it is if its within this reality is a product of "energy/light" being held in harmonic resonence within form/shape ; so what you gotta ask yourself is what "divine" entitiy would cage in a bubble world of dna test subjects to kill each other in unlawful "freedom" when they are products of layered construction... watch west world from HBO it'll paint reality for you real good lol

as I said before, it doesn't matter what I believe

truth is truth regardless of belief

just because I stumble onto it doesn't mean its less true or more true

How would you handle the claim truth doesn't exist the way you wish it to?

doesn't matter how you want to change truth

you can't change truth without GOD

Your conception of truth is a belief in-and-of-its-self; therefore, doesn't matter hwo yo wish to change a truth that—necessarily—pre-dates you.

GOD is the only one who can decide what the rules are

we are living within the rules he created

@^Kevin^ you know the biggest problem with the bible is most of its created under an oath not many commited too; and its very construction is a product of indoctrination/sedation

Right, but that's not true.

you can imagine that there is a huge space out there and we are spending tons of money to one day explore it, but what is actually happening is its a mass delusion and we are wasting money on a dead-end project that will never happen

clue -> haven't been back to moon in nearly 50 years

That's a non-sequitur.

@^Kevin^ I think you credit to much to "God" when there are so many steps between what "he" chooses and what those that channel spirit like us choose... like our dna for instance wasn't flushed out and formed by "god"... read the emerald tablets of toth some time and listen to people dive into it

imagine if you would a society where everyone was killing everyone else

our numbers would be drastically going down fast

as everyone murdered everyone else

I think the problem is that Kevin's defintion of "God" is his own belief-system

Which is actually incredibly blasphemous

my belief system doesn't change what GOD is

@^Kevin^ are there any "flash" names/titals of occult/essoteric books you could tell me you've studied/skimmed etc?

my brother studied the occult

waste of time

You're right—because your God is your belief system; therefore it could not change its' self, because you won't let it.

he told me that there was this mental magic few could master that was the ultimate form of occultism

agreed most of it is; how'ever its not in what you learn through the occult that changes you; its in the accumalitve sum of experinces that your lense of ego can draw from when subjected to an indepth broadening of such concepts

I was created by proxy by GOD, GOD isn't affected by my beliefs

Mhm, because your God is your belief; you refuse to re-evaluate your own worldview by saying all-caps GOD.