Message from @Eloha

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2018-10-12 17:09:19 UTC  

he's a globe believer

2018-10-12 17:09:31 UTC  

I think u missed the point

2018-10-12 17:09:34 UTC  

doctor, he never actually reads the things he quotes

2018-10-12 17:09:59 UTC  

I watched the videos

2018-10-12 17:10:56 UTC  

he assumes he is right, and uses that to ignore everything else

2018-10-12 17:11:48 UTC  

the basic geometry on day 1 teaches taht you tkae 2 points to draw a line

2018-10-12 17:11:54 UTC  

3 points to define a plane

2018-10-12 17:11:59 UTC  

Red's video was in response to one by Jeranism. In that video, Jeran claimed that the distance and size of the Sun were randomly chosen, and that the only way you could determine the actual distance was by guessing, since scale invariance makes it impossible to tell between a small, close thing and a distant, large thing. Red corrected him by explaining the trigonometry used to calculate the distance to the sun. It had nothing to do with proving the shape of the Earth, it was simply to correct him on his methods.

2018-10-12 17:12:01 UTC  

4 points to definite 3 dimensions

2018-10-12 17:12:18 UTC  

when your dealing with trig they move way beyond that

2018-10-12 17:12:25 UTC  

Etc. To figure out where something is in 3D space, you need three points.

2018-10-12 17:13:02 UTC  

they are dealing with apparent size

2018-10-12 17:13:19 UTC  

did you watch the video?

2018-10-12 17:13:23 UTC  

Yes. Apparent size is scale invariant, you can't tell just by looking whether it's near or far.

2018-10-12 17:14:46 UTC  

That was the point of the first video, and Jeranism's video that Red was responding to.

2018-10-12 17:15:08 UTC  

Red corrected Jeranism in that you can use other methods besides eye-balling to determine distance.

2018-10-12 17:15:56 UTC  

Then Globebusters responded to Red's video, missing the point completely, accusing Red of assuming the Earth is a globe, when all he was doing was correcting Jeran on his methods.

2018-10-12 17:17:02 UTC  

I've watched people do the math

2018-10-12 17:17:14 UTC  

I must agree with the18thdoctor

2018-10-12 17:17:20 UTC  

those videos are highly irrational

2018-10-12 17:17:32 UTC  

gotta work on that trig

2018-10-12 17:17:44 UTC  

using pythagorean theorem they calculate the distance of the sun at 93,000,000 miles away

2018-10-12 17:17:53 UTC  

but they assume we live on a curve to get that distance

2018-10-12 17:18:11 UTC  

and as soon as you flatten that curve, it changes to 3,400 miles away for the sun

2018-10-12 17:18:39 UTC  

no?

2018-10-12 17:18:40 UTC  

so your assuming you live on a ball, and based on that assumption you can calculate the sun's distance

2018-10-12 17:18:50 UTC  

I've watched people do it

2018-10-12 17:18:50 UTC  

that's not how it's done

2018-10-12 17:18:57 UTC  

that is exactly how it is done

2018-10-12 17:19:17 UTC  

you assume the curve, say its 93,000,000 away, and then that proves the globe

2018-10-12 17:19:23 UTC  

well, that doesn't prove diddly

2018-10-12 17:19:35 UTC  

both models work with the math

2018-10-12 17:19:41 UTC  

not how it's done

2018-10-12 17:19:43 UTC  

math alone doesn't confirm reality

2018-10-12 17:20:00 UTC  

I can look at the sun, and see where the light is coming from off of it

2018-10-12 17:20:10 UTC  

math might not

2018-10-12 17:20:22 UTC  

mathematical formulas certainly do

2018-10-12 17:20:29 UTC  

e=mc^2

2018-10-12 17:20:38 UTC  

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2018-10-12 17:20:47 UTC  

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2018-10-12 17:20:55 UTC  

light is local