Poetry is between the two

Ok, there's ritual purpose too

No, it's a language

It can describe will¨

Just like any language, it can be used merely for sounding or looking pretty

I can write meaningless poetry with great structures

I can come up with meaningless words that sound good

and I can play melodies that sound nice but represent nothing

Well this just was not what I thought it was going to be. Maybe next time?

I don't understand how you don't spot the obvious folly in that position

The "meaning' of music is entirely subjective

Just because an artist gave a song a title does not dictate it's meaning

It just suggests artists INTENTIONS

The artist can have an intent and a message, however.

Which are for the listener irrelevant

So I guess I will use a Rammstein song the next time I want to promote heterosexual experiences.

You was talking about music from technical point of view i guess

The meaning of anything is always partially subjective

Sure I can write a song ABOUT something

Music more so than prose, prose more so than math

This is true in all languages

@Hagel are videogame replays art? Just a random question.

Ever notice how Bach names his songs "Toccata and Fugue" or "Fugue in D minor"

And Wagner "TRISTAND AND ISOLDE"

"RING OF NIBELUNG"

What does that tell you

actually, Bach named them BWV 049

"The aim and final end of all music should be none other than the glory of God and the refreshment of the soul."

What does that tell you?

toccata fugue etc were names that caught on later

What a great quote

Points to you exactly

How music was *subjected* in their pespective

All descriptions are subjected

even math can't be understood by everyone

I reject your linguistic fatalism

Whereas you have 19th century, where musician and his genious and his music are things worthy in themselves, celebrated as the ultimate significance

Wagner's first and foremost desire was to EXPRESS himself and his vast genius

How much intellectual can his mind get when doing exactly what -A described as "passing the message"

in 70's u just had kids banging their head to some music in order to remove the stifness of the conformist existence and apathy of individualist society

which was alltogether DIFFERENT purpose and place of music from both Wagner's and Bach's era