Message from @Nester

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2017-02-18 20:41:11 UTC  

Bands should quit.

2017-02-18 20:41:34 UTC  

Classical works were commisioned

2017-02-18 20:41:46 UTC  

Compositional abilities like harmonically consonant simultaneous melodies of different rhythms, and polyphony in general, are like technical skill on an instrument. Most people can learn them, but even if they do, they can't use them to make good music

2017-02-18 20:42:04 UTC  

The classical guys made good music throughout their lifetime, and haven't blown their loads in the first handful of works.

2017-02-18 20:42:14 UTC  

If Incantation quit after diabolical conquest they would have exhausted everything they could do with their ideas.

2017-02-18 20:42:19 UTC  

Depends.

2017-02-18 20:42:35 UTC  

There is a lot of filler in stuff like Wagner.

2017-02-18 20:42:46 UTC  

It's really a soundtrack for an opera.

2017-02-18 20:42:53 UTC  

With motifs....

2017-02-18 20:42:58 UTC  

Like a score.

2017-02-18 20:43:17 UTC  

But such a model wouldn't necessarily help metal, as that youthful energy, mostly irretrievable in old age, is vital to it.

2017-02-18 20:43:37 UTC  

Depends.

2017-02-18 20:43:43 UTC  

Some old guys still have it

2017-02-18 20:43:49 UTC  

Like?

2017-02-18 20:43:50 UTC  

Like the Satan guys.

2017-02-18 20:44:06 UTC  

They just go nuts

2017-02-18 20:44:30 UTC  

I'd perhaps only count Summoning and Burzum.

2017-02-18 20:44:30 UTC  

Alternating between nwobhm and wank every album every 5-10 years

2017-02-18 20:44:38 UTC  

Varg lsot it

2017-02-18 20:44:39 UTC  

Though their later work is much different from their old work

2017-02-18 20:44:42 UTC  

And isn't metal.

2017-02-18 20:44:49 UTC  

Summoning didn't and is kinda metal.

2017-02-18 20:44:54 UTC  

Sammath

2017-02-18 20:45:02 UTC  

The Finns. Who are totally nuts.

2017-02-18 20:45:07 UTC  

Sammath is the most legitimate example.

2017-02-18 20:45:22 UTC  

Sammath changes his style every release though

2017-02-18 20:45:31 UTC  

Godless Arrogance is end of the world music.

2017-02-18 20:46:05 UTC  

Burzum and Summoning mellowed with age

2017-02-18 20:46:13 UTC  

Black metal -> brutal death -> zyklon b metal -> black metal rust in peace twin guitar wank -> blizzard beasts part 2

2017-02-18 20:46:14 UTC  

there's plenty of bad classical

2017-02-18 20:46:22 UTC  

There is a ton.

2017-02-18 20:46:25 UTC  

especially relative to a composers own output

2017-02-18 20:46:29 UTC  

Even from the 1700s

2017-02-18 20:46:33 UTC  

People paid for it to

2017-02-18 20:46:36 UTC  
2017-02-18 20:46:37 UTC  

Beethoven wrote a bunch of middling atuff

2017-02-18 20:46:45 UTC  

Paid to go see lame Symphonies and quartets

2017-02-18 20:46:55 UTC  

As they were bored on a Saturday

2017-02-18 20:47:03 UTC  

even the romantic "ultimate high art will nature etc" stuff is silly much of the time

2017-02-18 20:47:09 UTC  

I'm mainly thinking about how the metalguys almost exclusively make their best stuff while 18-25

2017-02-18 20:47:25 UTC  

That's mostly when they get to express it.