Message from @Hagel
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"evolved monkeys" is not nature
but an abstraction to explain nature
Humans are above animals
It reveals a notion that being of nature, is bad
it's like saying one doesn't like the stars because they dont accept some particular big bang model
We conquered nature
Being of the spirit world, is good
The spirit world and nature would be one
if it existed thusly
they're in "oneness"
monism
Hence humans would be naturally more than evolved monkeys
the argument would be that our nature is in some sense elevated or different from primates
We're ends in ourselves
and by extension other animals
And, that this elevation can not have come through evolution
Yes, absolutely
No, that claim does not preclude evolution
you read a lot of meaning into it
as am I, but to show you that it allows for a lot
you can't simply judge a person's heart like this
In Islam, people go to hell for different durations
or in your words
their "values"
How long would gays be in hell?
IS IT STILL A GAY BATHHOUSE IN HERE?
yeah, muslims go to hell until their sins are burned away (if they arent supposed to end up in hell forever for some other reason)
I guess anyone who ultimately has faith in god cant be in hell forever
So hell can be a permanent environ
as far as I know
can't really speculate that much about hell, there just isnt enough to go on, I can tell you the orthodoxy
hell wasn't a centerpiece to christianity until the reformation
Do you think the Wolves of Vinland guys are going to hell?
Them being heathens and all
I can't say
You've read the book