Message from @Hagel
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In a Nietzschean view
you can't help but become nihilist
nobody here surely asked to come to such a conclusion
"Existentialism focuses around the ego"
It doesn't have to, it can just be a starting point
It's still more of that than it is nihilism
But I don't care, I like Wittgenstein. I'll play the language game
When the psyche is in league with the sensible world, there is no free will (this is where I disagree with Schopenhauer)
Schopenhauer believed in free will
Kant did not
Kant held duty as the highest moral good
@spaceplacenta SCHOPENHAUER BELIEVED IN WILL
HE WAS CRITICAL OF "FREE WILL" USING A SPINOZIST ARGUMENT
BUT HIS POINT WAS LIKE NIETZSCHE'S, AND THIS IS THE POINT YOU ARE MAKING:
COMPETENCE, NOT MORAL OBEDIENCE, RULES THE DAY
What does it mean to be free, if not self governing?
HE IS RIGHT IN THAT CHRISTIANS TEND TO VALUE OBEDIENT PEOPLE WHO ARE CLUELESS
Nothing else has been observed to be free, so what even is free will?
SCHOP/NIETZSCHE WANTED PEOPLE WHO COULD THINK
AN ARGUMENT FOR NATURAL ARISTOCRACY
@Hagel "FREE WILL" IS A DRIVEL CONCEPT, BUT "CHOICE" IS WHAT MOST MEAN BY IT
THEY MEAN THE ABILITY TO COMPUTE/PROCESS EXTERNAL DATA AND MAKE BRANCHING CHOICES
free will sounds like a scientific term trying to molt out of an ethical/moral term in choice
That's just will, there's nothing really free about it
It's compatible with determinism, and with the sort of probabilistic semi random procedures of quantum level physics
as a scientific term it's carl saganite we wuz stardust terminology
i am the lizard king
i can do anything
We actually were stardust in a sense, unlike the African kangz
well, I guess they had kingdoms
OR JUST: CHOICE
PEOPLE ACTUALLY MAKE DECISIONS
BASED ON THEIR SPECIFIC CAPABILITIES, EXPERIENCES AND PERSONALITIES
influences
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT FREE WILL IMPLIES UNIVERSALISM
YES, I WOULD PLACE INFLUENCES UNDER EXPERIENCES
true, but influence seems to override experience in an underhanded way
experience seems more pure
I'm drunk. I'd prefer this conversation in email