Message from @Hagel

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2017-02-19 22:12:24 UTC  

In a Nietzschean view

2017-02-19 22:12:53 UTC  

you can't help but become nihilist

2017-02-19 22:13:07 UTC  

nobody here surely asked to come to such a conclusion

2017-02-19 22:13:57 UTC  

"Existentialism focuses around the ego"

2017-02-19 22:14:08 UTC  

It doesn't have to, it can just be a starting point

2017-02-19 22:14:29 UTC  

It's still more of that than it is nihilism

2017-02-19 22:14:38 UTC  

But I don't care, I like Wittgenstein. I'll play the language game

2017-02-19 22:14:53 UTC  

When the psyche is in league with the sensible world, there is no free will (this is where I disagree with Schopenhauer)

2017-02-19 22:15:05 UTC  

Schopenhauer believed in free will

2017-02-19 22:15:09 UTC  

Kant did not

2017-02-19 22:15:23 UTC  

Kant held duty as the highest moral good

2017-02-19 22:17:12 UTC  

@spaceplacenta SCHOPENHAUER BELIEVED IN WILL

2017-02-19 22:17:24 UTC  

HE WAS CRITICAL OF "FREE WILL" USING A SPINOZIST ARGUMENT

2017-02-19 22:17:37 UTC  

BUT HIS POINT WAS LIKE NIETZSCHE'S, AND THIS IS THE POINT YOU ARE MAKING:

2017-02-19 22:17:46 UTC  

COMPETENCE, NOT MORAL OBEDIENCE, RULES THE DAY

2017-02-19 22:17:54 UTC  

What does it mean to be free, if not self governing?

2017-02-19 22:18:05 UTC  

HE IS RIGHT IN THAT CHRISTIANS TEND TO VALUE OBEDIENT PEOPLE WHO ARE CLUELESS

2017-02-19 22:18:11 UTC  

Nothing else has been observed to be free, so what even is free will?

2017-02-19 22:18:12 UTC  

SCHOP/NIETZSCHE WANTED PEOPLE WHO COULD THINK

2017-02-19 22:18:17 UTC  

theoretically

2017-02-19 22:18:17 UTC  

AN ARGUMENT FOR NATURAL ARISTOCRACY

2017-02-19 22:18:34 UTC  

@Hagel "FREE WILL" IS A DRIVEL CONCEPT, BUT "CHOICE" IS WHAT MOST MEAN BY IT

2017-02-19 22:18:50 UTC  

THEY MEAN THE ABILITY TO COMPUTE/PROCESS EXTERNAL DATA AND MAKE BRANCHING CHOICES

2017-02-19 22:19:00 UTC  

free will sounds like a scientific term trying to molt out of an ethical/moral term in choice

2017-02-19 22:19:20 UTC  

That's just will, there's nothing really free about it

2017-02-19 22:19:52 UTC  

It's compatible with determinism, and with the sort of probabilistic semi random procedures of quantum level physics

2017-02-19 22:20:07 UTC  

as a scientific term it's carl saganite we wuz stardust terminology

2017-02-19 22:20:10 UTC  

i am the lizard king

2017-02-19 22:20:12 UTC  

i can do anything

2017-02-19 22:20:27 UTC  

We actually were stardust in a sense, unlike the African kangz

2017-02-19 22:20:29 UTC  

well, I guess they had kingdoms

2017-02-19 22:20:29 UTC  

OR JUST: CHOICE

2017-02-19 22:20:34 UTC  

PEOPLE ACTUALLY MAKE DECISIONS

2017-02-19 22:20:44 UTC  

BASED ON THEIR SPECIFIC CAPABILITIES, EXPERIENCES AND PERSONALITIES

2017-02-19 22:20:52 UTC  

influences

2017-02-19 22:20:53 UTC  

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT FREE WILL IMPLIES UNIVERSALISM

2017-02-19 22:21:07 UTC  

YES, I WOULD PLACE INFLUENCES UNDER EXPERIENCES

2017-02-19 22:22:29 UTC  

true, but influence seems to override experience in an underhanded way

2017-02-19 22:22:50 UTC  

experience seems more pure

2017-02-19 22:22:53 UTC  

I'm drunk. I'd prefer this conversation in email