It's not so bad that this appreciation could be reached without such practices.

but it never could @Nester

I don't think that always could be the case.

that's sort of the point

the tragedy of our damnation now is

we dont feel its a big deal

even knowing, right now, that its a big deal

I dont feel it too much

I'm fine, things are okay

and I will feel this way when things are a million times worse too

unless I was allowed to keep my current perspective, unchanged

then MAYBE

How do you know whether it is things not being bad enough, or that bad necessarily proportionally numbs you to badness?

you compare to the past and you check with what you know is true/right etc.

so faith, history, introspection

how much worse could things be in terms of basic rejection

not its effects

just rejection

Not much worse.

yeah, exactly

If any much worse.

exactly

damnation doesnt have to mean trannies in the streets at all hours

maybe that will come with time, maybe not

but in the metaphysical sense, the damage is already done

we're already in the end times

the scary thing is being in the end times and feeling that things are fine

Yes, it's as true that a ball is outside the court, if it's a meter outside the court, and if it's a mile outside the court.

that's not a bad analogy

Hey nester

Fallot told me to send you something

oh we're in Amerika

lol

I forgot

I'm more interested in people's thresholds rather than they're being or not being damned.

Bbl

The latter is clear to me, the former isn't.

there are many physical manifestations

of rejection of God/the divine etc.

many possible ones

it doesn't even have to be "leftism"