Message from @MK
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It depends what branch
we wuz cavemen n shiet
Army and Navy are 34/35 so I still have time... I wouldn't be enlisting either. I feel guilty about going through life as a civilian. I feel like I'm missing out on something shitty but ultimately irreplaceable.
Like in high school when you were stuck at a track meet for twelve hours in the heat getting sunburned and shit but you wanted to be there anyway to hang out with your buddies.
I'd rather work on U.S soil.
No offense, but I want to pay back what this country has given me. But I know if I could, I would.
I guess I would be useful doing other things.
"the freedom we get isn't really the freedom we want" the freedom itself is an entirely spiritual, inner condition
if one tries to become free through some kind of external machinations, he reaches insurmountable barriers
Sure. I would agree with your statement. But there is also, for example, the "school choice" illusion. If you are given the choice to send your children to any of 10 shitty schools, what kind of freedom is that? Is it more "free" than having only one, good school to send your children to?
If "freedom" has any purpose, removing the achievability of the purpose makes freedom meaningless.
purpose itself is the metaphysical enemy of freedom
Imagine a God having a "purpose"
It would completely obliterade his sense of unconditionality
It is more freeing to people to take choice away from them - bad choices, useless choices, choices they don't want.
Which is the basis for freedom
It is the highest achievement to realize the futility of choices
Think how people of all craft in the end limit their choices
I do. We're agreeing. I'm just making the policy argument because I don't trust people to come to the realization on their own
The Meaning of Freedom is heavely conflated, we have freedom in the sense that you talk about it namely spiritual freedom in other words being more free from ones animalic nature/subconscious or having acquired the skill to realise and eleminate ones biases from ones thinking and thereby achieving a "higher" sense of consciousness.
The danger is in people's realizations being founded on fleeting sensations
Which is always the truth the less there exists some sort of metaphysical order
@MK realization of ones spiritual unconditionality is the only meaningful freedom
put squarely, one can for example become unconditional by fully embracing the possibility of cessation of his physical existence at will
Then There is the sense of political freedom, having certain rights in other words the souvereign promises to restrict his own behaviour in some sense, for example free speech the state promises not to stop you from speaking your mind within common spaces
but again, refusing to ascribe to it the "ultimate meaning"
you can parse the word freedom however you want. I'm only talking about it in the colloquial sense of choices available to an individual
The leftist use freedom in the sense of being free from obligations/dutys while still getting the benefits
Yeah
i . e. Freedom from Duty
but the rightists will argue that More Choices = More Freedom
and that's what I'm objecting to
One must not under any circumstance give choices any inherent value
I've agreed with you this entire time @The Enlightened Shepherd
Other than allowing choices where choice fulfills a desired function
For example, pattern of making bad choices when given option, can be used to realize that an individual is a danger to himself and therefore to he group
Every higher power wants to limit the choices of it's subordinates, this is the basic law
The higher the power, the more choices and the greater the need for a "purpose" which will serve as a guiding light
Since multiplicity of choices always brings existential crisis of a sort
It's usually in peoples own interest. i limit my own choices because I am unhappy if I face endless meaningless choices