Message from UOC in Realism #general

2017-05-22 20:31:07 UTC  

I don't mean to bump Zizek. I'm just saying that "freedom" can mean different things and sometimes the freedom we get isn't really the freedom we want

2017-05-22 20:31:09 UTC  

It's 102° here. Hope yall stay hydrated

2017-05-22 20:34:24 UTC  


2017-05-22 20:34:27 UTC  


2017-05-22 20:35:26 UTC  

Do you guys think 27 is too old to join the military...

2017-05-22 20:35:35 UTC  

Should I reconsider my path...

2017-05-22 20:37:16 UTC  


2017-05-22 20:37:20 UTC  

no i don't know

2017-05-22 20:37:57 UTC  

They have age cut offs

2017-05-22 20:38:16 UTC  

I think 25 is considered old to first apply

2017-05-22 20:38:27 UTC  

It depends what branch

2017-05-22 20:39:48 UTC  

we wuz cavemen n shiet

2017-05-22 20:40:55 UTC  

Army and Navy are 34/35 so I still have time... I wouldn't be enlisting either. I feel guilty about going through life as a civilian. I feel like I'm missing out on something shitty but ultimately irreplaceable.

2017-05-22 20:41:26 UTC  

Like in high school when you were stuck at a track meet for twelve hours in the heat getting sunburned and shit but you wanted to be there anyway to hang out with your buddies.

2017-05-22 20:41:26 UTC  

I'd rather work on U.S soil.

2017-05-22 20:42:07 UTC  

No offense, but I want to pay back what this country has given me. But I know if I could, I would.

2017-05-22 20:42:35 UTC  

I guess I would be useful doing other things.

2017-05-22 21:12:43 UTC  

"the freedom we get isn't really the freedom we want" the freedom itself is an entirely spiritual, inner condition

2017-05-22 21:13:18 UTC  

if one tries to become free through some kind of external machinations, he reaches insurmountable barriers

2017-05-22 21:15:13 UTC  

Sure. I would agree with your statement. But there is also, for example, the "school choice" illusion. If you are given the choice to send your children to any of 10 shitty schools, what kind of freedom is that? Is it more "free" than having only one, good school to send your children to?

2017-05-22 21:16:04 UTC  

If "freedom" has any purpose, removing the achievability of the purpose makes freedom meaningless.

2017-05-22 21:17:19 UTC  

purpose itself is the metaphysical enemy of freedom

2017-05-22 21:17:37 UTC  

Imagine a God having a "purpose"

2017-05-22 21:17:52 UTC  

It would completely obliterade his sense of unconditionality

2017-05-22 21:17:58 UTC  

It is more freeing to people to take choice away from them - bad choices, useless choices, choices they don't want.

2017-05-22 21:17:59 UTC  

Which is the basis for freedom

2017-05-22 21:18:32 UTC  

It is the highest achievement to realize the futility of choices

2017-05-22 21:18:56 UTC  

Think how people of all craft in the end limit their choices

2017-05-22 21:19:27 UTC  

I do. We're agreeing. I'm just making the policy argument because I don't trust people to come to the realization on their own

2017-05-22 21:19:37 UTC  

The Meaning of Freedom is heavely conflated, we have freedom in the sense that you talk about it namely spiritual freedom in other words being more free from ones animalic nature/subconscious or having acquired the skill to realise and eleminate ones biases from ones thinking and thereby achieving a "higher" sense of consciousness.

2017-05-22 21:19:59 UTC  

The danger is in people's realizations being founded on fleeting sensations

2017-05-22 21:20:19 UTC  

Which is always the truth the less there exists some sort of metaphysical order

2017-05-22 21:20:49 UTC  

@MK realization of ones spiritual unconditionality is the only meaningful freedom

2017-05-22 21:21:18 UTC  

put squarely, one can for example become unconditional by fully embracing the possibility of cessation of his physical existence at will

2017-05-22 21:21:24 UTC  

Then There is the sense of political freedom, having certain rights in other words the souvereign promises to restrict his own behaviour in some sense, for example free speech the state promises not to stop you from speaking your mind within common spaces

2017-05-22 21:21:34 UTC  

but again, refusing to ascribe to it the "ultimate meaning"

2017-05-22 21:21:55 UTC  

you can parse the word freedom however you want. I'm only talking about it in the colloquial sense of choices available to an individual

2017-05-22 21:22:53 UTC  

The leftist use freedom in the sense of being free from obligations/dutys while still getting the benefits

2017-05-22 21:23:07 UTC  


2017-05-22 21:23:11 UTC  

i . e. Freedom from Duty