him

no

im just wondering why he was debating an opinion that wasnt there

what for traditionalists passes as a traditional family ideal

is just conservative gibberish

first we need to dispell the first nonsense postulate of conservative "traditional" family roles

where the role of the father is that of someone who supports family

which is utter nonsense

the father is merely the most capable part of the family, and his primary role is that of a defender

as far as support goes, other than fertile months of the mother

the entire community, since the dawn of humanity, worked towards supporting it's members

especially that is more so in agrarian families and shepherd families

the relegation of man's dignty by modern conservatives

to that of a working bee

is a criminal protestant-judaic-teutonic liberal-matriarchal concoction which needs to be sent back to hell from which it emerged

even more so, the basic goods for a society, for day to day use

are par exellence a product of female intellect

it is male's intellect which produces long lasting cultural products which survive to this day

namely weapons, art, temples, and such

as far as female products go, it's usually just pottery

man is a nature's being of borderlines, of frontier

he hunts, scouts, makes defenses

it isn't a coincidence that the most masculine and patriarchal ideals were always born there, where existed a strong "border" identity

what

ok buddy

nah he's right

im sure he is but i dunno wtf hes on about

He's saying that the modern "conservative" conception of masculinity in the family context is that of a "provider" role. He makes the money and provides for the material needs of the family.

isaac antsee thinks that i don't feel a need to say something unless provokd by someone's flattering interest

what

no i dont

i never said that

i just dont get what that has to do with me

@UOC there's more than that. there are more other completely flawed conceptions of conservative ideals

it does not

well okay

i didn't even quote you

earlier

but idk

sure but I'm just summarizing your comments about the role of the male in the family context.

sorry for asking what you meant