Message from @The Enlightened Shepherd

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2017-05-24 16:14:30 UTC  

but im merely stating the facts of family life as-is

2017-05-24 16:14:46 UTC  

and people then pettifog about it and say how it's just my experience

2017-05-24 16:15:38 UTC  

and when I point to them the obvious patterns of modern family life they say how I'm just being subversive

2017-05-24 16:19:30 UTC  

subversive lol

2017-05-24 16:21:09 UTC  

what was i arguing

2017-05-24 16:21:15 UTC  

i just asked why you guys arguong

2017-05-24 16:21:22 UTC  

i didnt make any other statemant than that

2017-05-24 16:21:27 UTC  

Its not that deep

2017-05-24 16:21:27 UTC  

the new right is just a smaller version of the dynamic of the old right. At least in the US. It's a coalition. In the old right, the an-caps and the christian fundies have to vote for the same guy, even though they share basically no beliefs. In the new right, dark enlightenment types are yolked to people who want to restore the monarchy or whatever. No two people agree on everything.

2017-05-24 16:21:54 UTC  

lol

2017-05-24 16:22:10 UTC  

traditionalists feel like you're attacking their utopian family ideal I guess

2017-05-24 16:22:20 UTC  
2017-05-24 16:22:23 UTC  

yes

2017-05-24 16:22:27 UTC  

him

2017-05-24 16:22:34 UTC  

no

2017-05-24 16:22:46 UTC  

im just wondering why he was debating an opinion that wasnt there

2017-05-24 16:26:37 UTC  

what for traditionalists passes as a traditional family ideal

2017-05-24 16:26:46 UTC  

is just conservative gibberish

2017-05-24 16:27:10 UTC  

first we need to dispell the first nonsense postulate of conservative "traditional" family roles

2017-05-24 16:27:19 UTC  

where the role of the father is that of someone who supports family

2017-05-24 16:27:28 UTC  

which is utter nonsense

2017-05-24 16:27:47 UTC  

the father is merely the most capable part of the family, and his primary role is that of a defender

2017-05-24 16:28:00 UTC  

as far as support goes, other than fertile months of the mother

2017-05-24 16:28:15 UTC  

the entire community, since the dawn of humanity, worked towards supporting it's members

2017-05-24 16:28:30 UTC  

especially that is more so in agrarian families and shepherd families

2017-05-24 16:28:41 UTC  

the relegation of man's dignty by modern conservatives

2017-05-24 16:28:44 UTC  

to that of a working bee

2017-05-24 16:29:16 UTC  

is a criminal protestant-judaic-teutonic liberal-matriarchal concoction which needs to be sent back to hell from which it emerged

2017-05-24 16:30:30 UTC  

even more so, the basic goods for a society, for day to day use

2017-05-24 16:30:41 UTC  

are par exellence a product of female intellect

2017-05-24 16:30:57 UTC  

it is male's intellect which produces long lasting cultural products which survive to this day

2017-05-24 16:31:12 UTC  

namely weapons, art, temples, and such

2017-05-24 16:31:26 UTC  

as far as female products go, it's usually just pottery

2017-05-24 16:31:54 UTC  

man is a nature's being of borderlines, of frontier

2017-05-24 16:32:03 UTC  

he hunts, scouts, makes defenses

2017-05-24 16:32:40 UTC  

it isn't a coincidence that the most masculine and patriarchal ideals were always born there, where existed a strong "border" identity

2017-05-24 16:33:11 UTC  

what

2017-05-24 16:34:18 UTC  

ok buddy

2017-05-24 16:34:50 UTC  

nah he's right

2017-05-24 16:35:08 UTC  

im sure he is but i dunno wtf hes on about

2017-05-24 16:35:47 UTC  

He's saying that the modern "conservative" conception of masculinity in the family context is that of a "provider" role. He makes the money and provides for the material needs of the family.