Message from @fallot

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2017-08-05 23:14:23 UTC  

not quite that simple, but the process you refer to exists certainly

2017-08-05 23:14:27 UTC  

just put a gun to their head and force them to be conservative or else death and eventually it will just be their culture and you can put the gun down

2017-08-05 23:14:33 UTC  

when people are forced to do something, they may rationalize it

2017-08-05 23:14:48 UTC  

that's more likely to be a generational effect

2017-08-05 23:14:56 UTC  

the people who you put the gun to may not ever be true believers

2017-08-05 23:15:03 UTC  

but their children and children's children may be

2017-08-05 23:15:06 UTC  

well yeah, the first gen will still remember the old way, the second won't

2017-08-05 23:15:09 UTC  

however that's no guarantee either

2017-08-05 23:15:12 UTC  

look at the Donmeh in Turkey

2017-08-05 23:15:24 UTC  

why do you do this bro

2017-08-05 23:15:24 UTC  

their leader became Muslim on threat of death by the Sultan

2017-08-05 23:15:30 UTC  

why do you split hairs

2017-08-05 23:15:32 UTC  

just telling it how it is

2017-08-05 23:15:36 UTC  

its not splitting hairs

2017-08-05 23:15:49 UTC  

if you say its one way, but it isn't, that has to be said surely

2017-08-05 23:15:57 UTC  

if you don't want me to say anything, just say you don't care

2017-08-05 23:16:13 UTC  

the case of the Donmeh is instructive

2017-08-05 23:16:25 UTC  

What Lolbertarians actually believe.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267086373285134338/343532728504811533/19679762_1619407481417187_1429195719_n.png

2017-08-05 23:16:49 UTC  

Conversion to Islam

Nehemiah, however, escaped to Constantinople, where he pretended to embrace Islam to get an audience with the kaymakam. He told him of Sabbatai's ambitions. The kaymakam informed the sultan, Mehmed IV. Sabbatai was taken from Abydos to Adrianople,[6] where the sultan's vizier gave him three choices; subject himself to a trial of his divinity in the form of a volley of arrows (in which should the archers miss, his divinity would be proven); be impaled; or he could convert to Islam.[15] On the following day (September 16, 1666) Zevi came before the sultan, cast off his Jewish garb and put a Turkish turban on his head. Thus his conversion to Islam was accomplished. The sultan was much pleased, and rewarded Sabbatai by conferring on him the title (Mahmed) Effendi, and appointing him as his doorkeeper with a generous salary. Sarah and approximately 300 families among Sabbatai's followers also converted to Islam. These new Muslims thereafter were known as dönmeh (converts).[5] The sultan's officials ordered Sabbatai to take an additional wife to demonstrate his conversion. Some days after his conversion he wrote to Smyrna: "God has made me an Ishmaelite; He commanded, and it was done. The ninth day of my regeneration."[6]

2017-08-05 23:17:33 UTC  

these people later became the Young Turks

2017-08-05 23:17:42 UTC  

before Ataturk's reign

2017-08-05 23:17:49 UTC  

they are responsible for the Armenian Genocide

2017-08-05 23:18:06 UTC  

and general marxism/jewishness creeping into the dialectic of modern Turkey

2017-08-05 23:18:37 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267086373285134338/343533285160517634/image.jpg

2017-08-05 23:18:43 UTC  

so in this case, threat of death or punishment resulted in outward adherence, but inside they maintained their traditions

2017-08-05 23:19:02 UTC  

that's a cool stick, do I get one

2017-08-05 23:19:26 UTC  

Yeah you can get them in Saudi Arabia if you wanna go get one

2017-08-05 23:19:32 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267086373285134338/343533516992282627/image.jpg

2017-08-05 23:19:49 UTC  

I've been to Saudi Arabia, didn't encounter any

2017-08-05 23:19:55 UTC  

other sticks yes

2017-08-05 23:19:57 UTC  

not as nice

2017-08-05 23:20:11 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267086373285134338/343533676057067520/image.jpg

2017-08-05 23:20:20 UTC  

are the badges shopped too?

2017-08-05 23:20:27 UTC  

Yes haha

2017-08-05 23:20:31 UTC  

And his nose lol

2017-08-05 23:20:55 UTC  

Hitler became a foolish megalomaniac

2017-08-05 23:21:05 UTC  

he could have had it so good

2017-08-05 23:21:17 UTC  

I agree his last year wasn't very good

2017-08-05 23:21:26 UTC  

He tried too hard to take Moscow

2017-08-05 23:21:40 UTC  

it was more than that I think, the whole expansive idea in the first place was bad