Message from @UOC

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2017-08-15 14:25:45 UTC  

init?

2017-08-15 14:25:48 UTC  

yeah

2017-08-15 14:26:05 UTC  

the altright.com server

2017-08-15 14:26:17 UTC  

ah i see

2017-08-15 14:26:50 UTC  

this place isn't really connected to that

2017-08-15 14:26:55 UTC  

yeah i get it

2017-08-15 14:27:33 UTC  

@UOC the basic idea:

2017-08-15 14:27:41 UTC  

Genius is a certain personality and certain traits

2017-08-15 14:27:44 UTC  

what are those traits?

2017-08-15 14:27:57 UTC  

The ability to become very good at something (in terms of deep understanding)

2017-08-15 14:28:12 UTC  

which requires higher than average intelligence, and dedication towards a certain field

2017-08-15 14:28:23 UTC  

Then the ability to be creative and innovate

2017-08-15 14:28:53 UTC  

partially that requires high IQ as well, but only up to the depth of understanding point

2017-08-15 14:29:01 UTC  

real creativity is psychoticism

2017-08-15 14:29:28 UTC  

clinical psychoses are the extreme end of a line that has genius and artist on it somewhere

2017-08-15 14:29:46 UTC  

this is easily proven, artists tend to have a preponderance of schizophrenia

2017-08-15 14:30:07 UTC  

it is my belief that there is no categorical difference between the artistic and scientific genius

2017-08-15 14:30:35 UTC  

nothing that divides them beyond just being involved in arts vs. sciences

2017-08-15 14:32:27 UTC  

Really? I would agree, depending on who you count as artistic geniuses. I think think "raw" creative genius often lacks the sort of Conscientious personality that seems necessary for other geniuses

2017-08-15 14:32:40 UTC  

but for someone like Bach or whoever, they seem to line up

2017-08-15 14:32:42 UTC  

ah but geniuses are often dedicated

2017-08-15 14:32:46 UTC  

but almost never conscientous

2017-08-15 14:33:06 UTC  

certainly no genius is more conscientous than the average person

2017-08-15 14:33:40 UTC  

usually the successful people have other figures in their life

2017-08-15 14:33:41 UTC  

or some environment

2017-08-15 14:33:50 UTC  

that allows them to live comfortably and sensibly

2017-08-15 14:34:26 UTC  

well maybe I'm using the wrong word. dedicated is better

2017-08-15 14:35:03 UTC  

my problem is Charlton has already surpassed and consolidated anything I could say

2017-08-15 14:35:05 UTC  

but at the same time

2017-08-15 14:35:09 UTC  

just linking a book doesn't end well

2017-08-15 14:35:24 UTC  

so I end up quoting or summarizing him with a smattering of my own ideas

2017-08-15 14:36:15 UTC  

Chapter 9 is called The Shaman versus the Head Girl

2017-08-15 14:36:35 UTC  

the true genius is the former, the type of person likely to succeed in the world is the latter

2017-08-15 14:37:48 UTC  

i have his book bookmarked

2017-08-15 14:38:32 UTC  

The ‘Head Girl’ is thus even more problematic in terms of genius. The stereotypical Head Girl is an all-rounder: performs extremely well in all school subjects and has a very high ‘Grade Point Average’ as it is termed in the USA. She is excellent at sports, Captaining all the major teams. She is also pretty, popular, sociable and well-behaved.
The Head Girl will probably be a big success in life, in whatever terms being a big success happens to be framed (she will gravitate towards such aspects of life) – so she might in some times and places make a good marriage and do a great job of raising a family; in another time and place she might go to a top-notch college and get a top-notch job – and pursue a glamorous and infertile lifestyle of ‘serial monogamy’; with desirable mates.

2017-08-15 14:38:34 UTC  

But the Head Girl is not, cannot be, a creative genius. The genius is pretty much everything the Head Girl is not. He (or she) is lop-sided in his abilities – truly excellent at some things or maybe just one thing, he is either hopeless or bored by many others. He won’t work hard for long periods at things he does not want to do. He will not gravitate to the prestige areas of life and cannot, or will not, do the networking necessary to get-on.
The Head Girl can never be a creative genius because she does what other people want by the standards they most value. She will work harder and at a higher standard in doing whatever it is that social pressure tells her to do – and she will do this by whatever social standards prevail, only more thoroughly. Meanwhile the creative genius will do what he does because he must.
The Head Girl will not want to alienate potentially powerful allies. Meanwhile the creative genius is indifferent or hostile to the opinions of others so long as he knows he is right.
The Head Girl is great to have around, everybody thinks she is wonderful. Meanwhile the creative genius is at best a person who divides opinion, strongly, in both directions – at worst often a signed-up member of the awkward squad.

2017-08-15 14:39:14 UTC  

@UOC as we share a personality type I can reasonably assume that while you are well meaning, things like "read this book" tend to fall into a hole from which they will never be recovered

2017-08-15 14:39:20 UTC  

its certainly the case for me

2017-08-15 14:41:56 UTC  

I get to about 80% of the things I start out intending to do.

2017-08-15 14:42:09 UTC  

But not always on the time scale people appreciate