hey @fallot is Sam Harris right about muzzies

I can see converts to Islam. However Muslim countries are not exactly modern in the cultural sense. They've, at most, reacted to encroachments within their own paradigms.

Another way of wording it would be that they are essentially fighting an external threat whereas we must must excise a cancer.

if fallot can't play right now, I'll just admit I think Sam Harris is generally in his thesis in part for the reason that you're stating

what sorts of encroachments

For all there savagery Muslims have kept Marxists jews and feminism down

what particularly @UOC ?

Sam Harris is in general, a clever silly

though an intelligent man

@fallot I don't want to put more effort into the question. answer on the general level lol

yeah he's clever enough to be wrong in ways I enjoy listening to sometimes

he's got a particular bone to pick with Islam for a bunch of reasons but particularly I think because its the only existing religion seriously adhered to on a global scale

They have developed a siege mentality of sorts. Unlike Christianity, the Islamic World has had to face the full brunt of secular liberal modernity at gun point. So conservative Muslims tend towards puritanism, anti-intellectualism, and a hostility towards art.

yeah he's always saying "at least the christians don't actually believe in their god"

bit more complex than that @Sriadobada

you're not wrong

I am not out to write an essay on the matter.

@Sriadobada not necessarily a bad thing

the complicating issue is Salafism, and that Saudi projection of Islam is what appears strongly in the zeitgeist

certainly in a western perception

Wahabism?

yeah pretty much

more than that, but yeah, pretty much

these people have broken with tradition, though they seem very extreme

they are like the christian puritans in a sense

To keep culture alive sometimes you have to be extreme

The extent to which they control marriage and relationships is designed to keep the kafirs out. Whether these practices are agreeable or not I will leave to others.

all modern jihadism stems from these ideas/people

Kuffars I think is the term

that's just normal human behaviour I think, keep the outgroup out

kafir singular, kuffar plural

all human society, including the west, controlled marriage and reproduction pretty strictly

parentally arranged marriage was the rule even in the west

In my opinion the West has lost its way

Like completely off the beaten path

yeah

unfortunate

and it remains to be seen whether the reaction to that will be corrective

or destructive

Funny thing is we were warned

Kruschev said they would destroy us from within