The computers

The design.

He was some asshole hippie

@Sriadobada don't let exilarch bully you. just evaluate what he's saying and if he's right, listen

But he did it all better than them.

So did the guy that did the pepsi generation ads

Two assholes.

Managed better than thousands of autists

I haven't been taking him very seriously as you may have noticed.

how many Muslims are here? @Deleted User 57835c2c

Lots of people in this chat with a pretty developed personal perspective. Even if they say things in a way I might not, usually some non-retarded thought underlying

nester and fallot

I have noticed @UOC. It seemed strange to find them in such a chatroom however.

possibly others

There was some other guy here saying he had just converted and kept trying to talk to Fallot about how they were both muzzies

hey @fallot is Sam Harris right about muzzies

I can see converts to Islam. However Muslim countries are not exactly modern in the cultural sense. They've, at most, reacted to encroachments within their own paradigms.

Another way of wording it would be that they are essentially fighting an external threat whereas we must must excise a cancer.

if fallot can't play right now, I'll just admit I think Sam Harris is generally in his thesis in part for the reason that you're stating

what sorts of encroachments

For all there savagery Muslims have kept Marxists jews and feminism down

what particularly @UOC ?

Sam Harris is in general, a clever silly

though an intelligent man

@fallot I don't want to put more effort into the question. answer on the general level lol

yeah he's clever enough to be wrong in ways I enjoy listening to sometimes

he's got a particular bone to pick with Islam for a bunch of reasons but particularly I think because its the only existing religion seriously adhered to on a global scale

They have developed a siege mentality of sorts. Unlike Christianity, the Islamic World has had to face the full brunt of secular liberal modernity at gun point. So conservative Muslims tend towards puritanism, anti-intellectualism, and a hostility towards art.

yeah he's always saying "at least the christians don't actually believe in their god"

bit more complex than that @Sriadobada

you're not wrong

I am not out to write an essay on the matter.

@Sriadobada not necessarily a bad thing

the complicating issue is Salafism, and that Saudi projection of Islam is what appears strongly in the zeitgeist

certainly in a western perception

Wahabism?

yeah pretty much

more than that, but yeah, pretty much

these people have broken with tradition, though they seem very extreme

they are like the christian puritans in a sense

To keep culture alive sometimes you have to be extreme