but people look at classical european society with its heavy catholic influences and fundamentally misattribute the beauty, grandeur, hierarchy and organization of that society as being catholic in origin

really what they are looking at is the results of thousands of years of living one way, building up that race and society, then suddenly slapping catholic labels on everything, and then at the snapshot in history they show you with renaissance paintings and shit, you see all of the wonderful stuff before it decayed but with CATHOLIC 😃 written on it in bold face

hold on

it's like having an athlete work out hard and eat a shitload of protein for 10 years, then for 2 weeks become a vegan and do nothing but meditate, and then turn around and say "his body is the way it is because of veganism and meditation"

a lot of that renaissance stuff was explicitly religious

I know

that's what I am telling you

you're saying the mass in bm would have happened without Jeebus

i find that hard to believe

Exilarch did you change your handle?

Christianity and monotheism has been inspirational

it wouldn't have happened, but something like it would have

a pagan version

yes

dalit mothafucka

but paganism was pretty degenerate too

it wasn't only greatness

that's not what we're discussing

what we're discussing is the fact that "golden era catholicism" preached a doctrine that eliminated the conditions its own existence requires

any Golden Era came far before that bogus dogma

it requires talent, loyalty, vision and hierarchy to have that sort of catholic age/culture, but the elimination of talent/loyalty/vision/hierarchy is the logical conclusion of catholic doctrine

The golden age of man was when we were hunter gatherers.

well that's definitely not true

lol

LOL WERE YOU THERE BRO?

fucking and sharing

see how the topic randomly shifted?

strong tribe

embrace the ape.

non sequitur retardation

no I accept what you say @Exilarch

that's a neat topic, if only that's what we were talking about

tisk tisk i know

well another thing @spacetimed is that people point to hierarchical/tribal stuff in the bible as evidence for why catholicism is fascist or whatever

well i only say that from experience

that catholics are sympathetic that's all

they are entirely right about that, as far as I can tell from having read the hell out of the book several times, even the new testament was an entirely tribal guide for how the people "in the club" should be ultra super nice to each other, but blatantly listing exclusion criteria, people to kick out and not associate with, etc

not any theological reason

and italians actually tend to act like that, I admit

yes i do not think universal love is possible

the problem however is that the equality dogma their church has been pushing for the last ~1700 years is not actually in their book