I'll happily discuss my thoughts with mormons at a neutral location

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do it at church

so Joseph Smith received revelation from The Almighty?

do you believe that?

Joseph Smith was smart enough to know people are dumb and easily influenced

which is why @Exilarch should enforce his views at his local gatherings

lol. People who've been taught to worship human beings are dumb.

then Mormonism needs to be drastically reinvented.

Mormons don't worship Joseph Smith

yes I believe that @spacetimed

no, mormons worship the doctrine of Spencer W. Kimball (who contradicted every prophet before him hugely) and also the BYU honor code

and Mitt Romney and general conservadad republicanism

what actual God might have revealed to Joseph Smith or Brigham Young, these are of secondary importance, and if they contradict the former, are bitterly stigmatized

as far as I can tell, FLDS are correct

Do mormons believe his story?

Joseph Smith's? Yeah it stands to reason, but fun fact, that story is tampered as well

there is an official version printed in every copy of the mormon scriptures

but if you actually dig up the old cursive written documents by joseph smith, there were other details added and removed

man.

there were like 4 different versions he said, all were roughly the same but slightly different descriptors were used in one of them, and the modern church zeroed in on it and decided, "THAT is what Joseph saw!"

and what did his journal say

so he was a nut

it's called the Joseph Smith Papers, you can just google it even

why would i even bother

but off the top of my head, it said the gods appeared to him in a pillar of flame, old testament style, not a pillar of light like the LDS say

just a small detail really, I could reread it again

I actually believe Joseph Smith entirely - to the point that I am forced to disbelieve my church

which is rather ironic

why have you not taken control of the cult you are apart of yet? @Exilarch

Are you an atheist @Parasite

well, because I do not believe it works like that

sounds like your local church is full of dummies

and you are the smart one

they all are, I move all over the country and go to mormon churches while I travel

it's not like it is a local phenomenon

no i am not atheist

it's systemic

ahhh

following the chain of command?

that, plus they are silly people who take religion quite lightly