Message from @Hagel
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Is this afake quote?
Probably not.
But... you should take such claims of Catholicism by esoteric-minded people with a grain of salt.
There are plenty of Freemasons who identify as Catholics, and not in any "fake" way, for instance.
@Hagel , in respect to such quotes, as a collection, the particular source and context is important. The detective work is to understand how they match together, and not jump to a "FAKE!" conclusion just because a superficial discrepancy is noted.
number 5 sounds plausible
Read *Mein Kampf* and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Read the memories of his childhood friend, and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Even in his pro-Christian statements later on, or his attributed quotes, they seem rather functional in scope (Christianity as a positive application, etc.).
He's not very Christian at all
And he is correct in some of his criticisms of it
And also in how Germans mutated it into a more tolerable thing
Exactly.
Real Politik demands strategy. You work with what you have.
A tragedy is only a tragedy, not an accomplishment.
If he went around dressed as Wotan and attempting to make a rebirth of druidic or whatever traditions happen, he would've been laughed at from day 1.
I don't believe in mobilizing the blind quantity of people, but in cultivating quality
A small reich of high quality is better than a large reich of poor quality
Idealistic, but not realistic.
the hordes will overrun your high-quality reich.
On the contrary, it is what is realistic
that is the problem
Most people have to be left behind
I agree.
But that plan may work in the course of hundreds or thousands of years.
National Socialism simply wanted to turn the tide.
The strategy failed, and perhaps that "by quantity" focus was the problem, as you say.
It is what works in thousands of years, but not in decades
The opposite approach seems effective in the short term, but ends up changing nothing in the long term
Nazi victory would have assured one thing: The survival of the race
but it wouldn't have done much else
I think Savitri Devi thinks that WW2 made it possible for that refinement of underground NS to happen: NS people (not neo-Nazis) are quite high minded, and move only in elite circles, amongst themselves, and focus on quality rather than quantity. Lesson learned.
because its guiding philosophy from which the politics came was underdeveloped
That is not an achievement to scoff at however
He did not intend NS as an eternal thing, but only a thing to turn the tide.
Again, very clearly stated in *Mein Kampf*.
The race must survive
He said that his successors MUST CHANGE AND READAPT.
If what you are saying is true, then it could have been a good first step had he not been such a fool
to not wait for atomic bombs when he had the greatest and most scientists, to attack east and west simultaneously, etc
He was "such a fool", but probably not in the way you think.
to not listen to his generals
But it's still a first step that's irrelevant to me now
and not a doctrine that I will follow, as all we know of is the first step
I think arrogance got the best of him.
He literally scoffed at his generals, at least from Speer's perspective.
With respect to your conclusions, I basically agree with them.
It is the departure points which are think are a misunderstanding. (socialism, aryanism, etc.)
And these may be crucial to understand that many positions did not dictate the defeat, so they cannot be judged as wrong.
E.g. Germany's socio-economic model was miraculous, and not at all a "failure". Despite what @diversity_is_racism , its "socialist" component was not a detriment, nor did it have anything to do with losing the war.
Do not throw the baby with the water, or something like that.