Message from @Hagel

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2018-01-10 07:26:42 UTC  

they cannot deal with this important conceptualization of leaders

2018-01-10 07:27:15 UTC  

Then again, maybe it was a mistake to try and use Christianity

2018-01-10 07:27:20 UTC  

maybe it was his downfall

2018-01-10 07:27:24 UTC  

```I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.```

2018-01-10 07:27:26 UTC  

Is this afake quote?

2018-01-10 07:28:09 UTC  

Probably not.
But... you should take such claims of Catholicism by esoteric-minded people with a grain of salt.

2018-01-10 07:28:29 UTC  

There are plenty of Freemasons who identify as Catholics, and not in any "fake" way, for instance.

2018-01-10 07:35:46 UTC  

@Hagel , in respect to such quotes, as a collection, the particular source and context is important. The detective work is to understand how they match together, and not jump to a "FAKE!" conclusion just because a superficial discrepancy is noted.

2018-01-10 07:36:03 UTC  

number 5 sounds plausible

2018-01-10 07:37:22 UTC  

Read *Mein Kampf* and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Read the memories of his childhood friend, and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Even in his pro-Christian statements later on, or his attributed quotes, they seem rather functional in scope (Christianity as a positive application, etc.).

2018-01-10 07:38:42 UTC  

He's not very Christian at all

2018-01-10 07:38:52 UTC  

And he is correct in some of his criticisms of it

2018-01-10 07:39:08 UTC  

And also in how Germans mutated it into a more tolerable thing

2018-01-10 07:39:32 UTC  

Exactly.
Real Politik demands strategy. You work with what you have.
A tragedy is only a tragedy, not an accomplishment.
If he went around dressed as Wotan and attempting to make a rebirth of druidic or whatever traditions happen, he would've been laughed at from day 1.

2018-01-10 07:40:29 UTC  

I don't believe in mobilizing the blind quantity of people, but in cultivating quality

2018-01-10 07:40:44 UTC  

A small reich of high quality is better than a large reich of poor quality

2018-01-10 07:41:00 UTC  

Idealistic, but not realistic.

2018-01-10 07:41:21 UTC  

the hordes will overrun your high-quality reich.

2018-01-10 07:41:22 UTC  

On the contrary, it is what is realistic

2018-01-10 07:41:24 UTC  

that is the problem

2018-01-10 07:41:29 UTC  

Most people have to be left behind

2018-01-10 07:41:35 UTC  

I agree.

2018-01-10 07:42:17 UTC  

But that plan may work in the course of hundreds or thousands of years.
National Socialism simply wanted to turn the tide.
The strategy failed, and perhaps that "by quantity" focus was the problem, as you say.

2018-01-10 07:42:48 UTC  

It is what works in thousands of years, but not in decades

2018-01-10 07:42:58 UTC  

The opposite approach seems effective in the short term, but ends up changing nothing in the long term

2018-01-10 07:43:17 UTC  

Nazi victory would have assured one thing: The survival of the race

2018-01-10 07:43:20 UTC  

but it wouldn't have done much else

2018-01-10 07:43:25 UTC  

I think Savitri Devi thinks that WW2 made it possible for that refinement of underground NS to happen: NS people (not neo-Nazis) are quite high minded, and move only in elite circles, amongst themselves, and focus on quality rather than quantity. Lesson learned.

2018-01-10 07:43:30 UTC  

because its guiding philosophy from which the politics came was underdeveloped

2018-01-10 07:43:40 UTC  

@Hagel , yep, and that is exactly what Hitler intended.

2018-01-10 07:43:43 UTC  

That is not an achievement to scoff at however

2018-01-10 07:43:53 UTC  

He did not intend NS as an eternal thing, but only a thing to turn the tide.
Again, very clearly stated in *Mein Kampf*.

2018-01-10 07:44:12 UTC  

The race must survive

2018-01-10 07:44:28 UTC  

He said that his successors MUST CHANGE AND READAPT.

2018-01-10 07:45:32 UTC  

If what you are saying is true, then it could have been a good first step had he not been such a fool

2018-01-10 07:45:46 UTC  

to not wait for atomic bombs when he had the greatest and most scientists, to attack east and west simultaneously, etc

2018-01-10 07:45:48 UTC  

He was "such a fool", but probably not in the way you think.

2018-01-10 07:45:50 UTC  

to not listen to his generals

2018-01-10 07:45:56 UTC  

But it's still a first step that's irrelevant to me now

2018-01-10 07:46:06 UTC  

and not a doctrine that I will follow, as all we know of is the first step

2018-01-10 07:46:35 UTC  

I think arrogance got the best of him.