Message from @Pelagius

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2018-01-10 06:53:06 UTC  

And they are not nordic-germanic

2018-01-10 07:20:46 UTC  

Ok, @Hagel , these are my responses.
As per Adolf Hitler's views (his words) and organization: https://pastebin.com/xCUZY1mC

In regards to philosophy-ideology: National Socialism is not in the least a philosophy. Hitler was keen on making that clear. It was an ideology: a tool for purpose. Philosophy does not build reality, but moves and inspires in the long term in a different way. National Socialism has no philosophy in the proper sense.
A little thing that may be found if one actually takes the time what Hitler actually writes: He saw National Socialism as something to be surpassed, as a tool that was meant for Germans back then to address their contemporary predicament.

2018-01-10 07:21:32 UTC  

IF one reads *Mein Kampf* to the very end, and taking heed of his opinions, one finds these things stated very clearly.

2018-01-10 07:22:06 UTC  

Then why should I care about it?

2018-01-10 07:22:25 UTC  

Care about my answers or about National Socialism?

2018-01-10 07:22:29 UTC  

NS

2018-01-10 07:23:55 UTC  

1:

It was conceived as socialism, but never became this in practice

2018-01-10 07:23:57 UTC  

I would say, it is important to properly understand it to better understand what may work and why, and what not and why.
I believe it is a mistake to ditch everything that NS used or said or did just because it failed.
It's like that thing about not wearing pants because Hitler used to wear pants and he "failed".

2018-01-10 07:24:47 UTC  

3:

Indeed he used religion as a mere tool, which means that it's fake

2018-01-10 07:24:50 UTC  

It is misinformation, and I do not know why people here do it: NS lost the war because of big strategy decisions, not because NS had a socialist tinge, not because of Christianity, , etc.

2018-01-10 07:24:58 UTC  

He'd have used what ever religion was popular without believing in it

2018-01-10 07:25:03 UTC  

No, using something as a tool does not mean that that something is fake

2018-01-10 07:25:06 UTC  

a lot like Brett Stevens wants to do with Christianity

2018-01-10 07:25:07 UTC  

it may or may not be fake

2018-01-10 07:25:16 UTC  

We know he didn't like Christianity from his other statements

2018-01-10 07:25:21 UTC  

Sure.

2018-01-10 07:25:23 UTC  

yet claimed to be Christian, and in favour of Christianity

2018-01-10 07:25:46 UTC  

where does he claim to be Christian?

2018-01-10 07:26:02 UTC  

He claims Germans are Christian, and that Christianity is important to Germans.

2018-01-10 07:26:24 UTC  

A tool is a tool, when you see it from a high level.

2018-01-10 07:26:31 UTC  

some people cannot deal with it when it comes to religions

2018-01-10 07:26:42 UTC  

they cannot deal with this important conceptualization of leaders

2018-01-10 07:27:15 UTC  

Then again, maybe it was a mistake to try and use Christianity

2018-01-10 07:27:20 UTC  

maybe it was his downfall

2018-01-10 07:27:24 UTC  

```I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.```

2018-01-10 07:27:26 UTC  

Is this afake quote?

2018-01-10 07:28:09 UTC  

Probably not.
But... you should take such claims of Catholicism by esoteric-minded people with a grain of salt.

2018-01-10 07:28:29 UTC  

There are plenty of Freemasons who identify as Catholics, and not in any "fake" way, for instance.

2018-01-10 07:35:46 UTC  

@Hagel , in respect to such quotes, as a collection, the particular source and context is important. The detective work is to understand how they match together, and not jump to a "FAKE!" conclusion just because a superficial discrepancy is noted.

2018-01-10 07:36:03 UTC  

number 5 sounds plausible

2018-01-10 07:37:22 UTC  

Read *Mein Kampf* and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Read the memories of his childhood friend, and tell me how Christian and/or Catholic he comes off.
Even in his pro-Christian statements later on, or his attributed quotes, they seem rather functional in scope (Christianity as a positive application, etc.).

2018-01-10 07:38:42 UTC  

He's not very Christian at all

2018-01-10 07:38:52 UTC  

And he is correct in some of his criticisms of it

2018-01-10 07:39:08 UTC  

And also in how Germans mutated it into a more tolerable thing

2018-01-10 07:39:32 UTC  

Exactly.
Real Politik demands strategy. You work with what you have.
A tragedy is only a tragedy, not an accomplishment.
If he went around dressed as Wotan and attempting to make a rebirth of druidic or whatever traditions happen, he would've been laughed at from day 1.

2018-01-10 07:40:29 UTC  

I don't believe in mobilizing the blind quantity of people, but in cultivating quality

2018-01-10 07:40:44 UTC  

A small reich of high quality is better than a large reich of poor quality

2018-01-10 07:41:00 UTC  

Idealistic, but not realistic.

2018-01-10 07:41:21 UTC  

the hordes will overrun your high-quality reich.

2018-01-10 07:41:22 UTC  

On the contrary, it is what is realistic

2018-01-10 07:41:24 UTC  

that is the problem