In regards to our conversation about throwing out NS or not.

Did he force people, actually? Does a miraculous success in 6 years show an oppressed and miserable people?

I think people were accepting of the idea

there will always be people against whatever you do, however

and that's why it happened so smoothly

These things don't emerge out of nowhere

Mohammedan countries kill gays for a reason

it's popular

For sure. So the working plan was an attempting tailoring to these people.

People with a "work" culture, but also an "idealistic" culture.

I know that eugenic ideas and social engineering ideas were popular at the time

It was mainstream in Sweden

anyway.... thanks for telling me your conclusions

So I imagine it was all over Europe

It was mainstream all over the world

Only convenience politics changed that. Mainly through Jewish lobbying.

The concept of eugenics is obviously good

It's a great sickness that people don't think so

It's because people don't value virtue anymore

or goodness

@Hagel , have you read *The Antichrist*, by Nietzsche? or are you currently reading it? ;)

I've read some stuff by Nietzsche, not that

It was a little rough in the beginning

I was reading weird translated German poems at first

and I just thought, okay

this is not what I expected

But I continued reading and started to enjoy it

I'd argue, as per Nietzsche (and I thought so before ever knowing Nietzsche), that the loss of virtue and inversion of values comes from Christianity.

I don't want to speculate about what caused what historically, but Christianity itself is an inversion of intuitive values

That is evidently true

I'd say that weird feeling is what started to make me question my Protestant faith. It was always weird that Christianity seemed to champion the weak so much, and feelings of guilt and never pride.

It's like wanting to feel sick all the time and being happy about it.

Or feeling "virtuous" about it.

Yeah

It's sick

The hoops people jump through to justify it are ridiculous

Look at it honestly, and it is clearly sick

To Hitler's credit he did want it gone over time

Can't really misquote this, but some French liberal will tell us how we are misinterpreting this:
```Here we are among Jews: this is the first thing to be borne in mind if we are not to lose the thread of the matter. This positive genius for conjuring up a delusion of personal “holiness” unmatched anywhere else, either in books or by men; this elevation of fraud in word and attitude to the level of an art— all this is not an accident due to the chance talents of an individual, or to any violation of nature. The thing responsible is race. The whole of Judaism appears in Christianity as the art of concocting holy lies, and there, after many centuries of earnest Jewish training and hard practice of Jewish technic, the business comes to the stage of mastery. The Christian, that ultima ratio of lying, is the Jew all over again— he is threefold the Jew...```
—Nietzsche, *The Antichrist*, in **No. 44**

I will only read pre WW2 translations of Nietzsche

Leftists try to dilute his meaning