Message from @Hagel

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2018-01-10 07:48:43 UTC  

With respect to your conclusions, I basically agree with them.

2018-01-10 07:50:39 UTC  

It is the departure points which are think are a misunderstanding. (socialism, aryanism, etc.)
And these may be crucial to understand that many positions did not dictate the defeat, so they cannot be judged as wrong.
E.g. Germany's socio-economic model was miraculous, and not at all a "failure". Despite what @diversity_is_racism , its "socialist" component was not a detriment, nor did it have anything to do with losing the war.
Do not throw the baby with the water, or something like that.

2018-01-10 07:51:18 UTC  

NS as it became, not as it was conceived, wasn't socialism, it was welfare capitalism

2018-01-10 07:51:33 UTC  

And some of the welfare was not toward money pits, but toward cultivating potential

2018-01-10 07:51:35 UTC  

and that's good

2018-01-10 07:51:41 UTC  

exactly

2018-01-10 07:51:46 UTC  

It may have been part of why they had so many chemists, engineers, etc

2018-01-10 07:51:55 UTC  

If you were smart, you got free stuff, and a spot at university

2018-01-10 07:52:03 UTC  

you got promoted based on talent

2018-01-10 07:52:05 UTC  

proven talent

2018-01-10 07:52:08 UTC  

So instead of the strong carrying the weak, the weak carried the strong

2018-01-10 07:52:19 UTC  

and i think this is one of the positive traits

2018-01-10 07:52:23 UTC  

no reason to throw that away

2018-01-10 07:52:30 UTC  

I'm not against all welfare

2018-01-10 07:52:44 UTC  

I can see that, I am saying, in general terms.

2018-01-10 07:52:52 UTC  

But I recognize that if you must force people to do it against their will, then it isn't sustainable

2018-01-10 07:52:57 UTC  

In regards to our conversation about throwing out NS or not.

2018-01-10 07:53:30 UTC  

Did he force people, actually? Does a miraculous success in 6 years show an oppressed and miserable people?

2018-01-10 07:53:40 UTC  

I think people were accepting of the idea

2018-01-10 07:53:48 UTC  

there will always be people against whatever you do, however

2018-01-10 07:53:50 UTC  

and that's why it happened so smoothly

2018-01-10 07:54:03 UTC  

These things don't emerge out of nowhere

2018-01-10 07:54:11 UTC  

Mohammedan countries kill gays for a reason

2018-01-10 07:54:11 UTC  

it's popular

2018-01-10 07:55:25 UTC  

For sure. So the working plan was an attempting tailoring to these people.

2018-01-10 07:55:49 UTC  

People with a "work" culture, but also an "idealistic" culture.

2018-01-10 07:55:57 UTC  

I know that eugenic ideas and social engineering ideas were popular at the time

2018-01-10 07:56:00 UTC  

It was mainstream in Sweden

2018-01-10 07:56:04 UTC  

anyway.... thanks for telling me your conclusions

2018-01-10 07:56:06 UTC  

So I imagine it was all over Europe

2018-01-10 07:56:15 UTC  

It was mainstream all over the world

2018-01-10 07:56:32 UTC  

Only convenience politics changed that. Mainly through Jewish lobbying.

2018-01-10 07:56:39 UTC  

The concept of eugenics is obviously good

2018-01-10 07:56:45 UTC  

It's a great sickness that people don't think so

2018-01-10 07:56:53 UTC  

It's because people don't value virtue anymore

2018-01-10 07:57:01 UTC  

or goodness

2018-01-10 07:57:59 UTC  

@Hagel , have you read *The Antichrist*, by Nietzsche? or are you currently reading it? ;)

2018-01-10 07:58:48 UTC  

I've read some stuff by Nietzsche, not that

2018-01-10 07:58:59 UTC  

It was a little rough in the beginning

2018-01-10 07:59:08 UTC  

I was reading weird translated German poems at first

2018-01-10 07:59:13 UTC  

and I just thought, okay