Message from @Pelagius

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2018-01-12 15:27:35 UTC  

They're both super dysfunctional

2018-01-12 15:37:47 UTC  

IT HAS A MUCH BETTER TRACK RECORD

2018-01-12 15:37:48 UTC  

IT FUNCTIONS

2018-01-12 15:37:54 UTC  

HOWEVER, NO ONE WOULD WANT CAPITALISM STRAIGHT

2018-01-12 15:38:02 UTC  

IT IS AN ECONOMIC SYSTEM, NOT A SOCIAL DESIGN.

2018-01-12 15:38:08 UTC  

THIS IS WHY HIERARCHY IS IMPORTANT

2018-01-12 15:38:15 UTC  

IF YOU HAVE HIGHER SOCIAL CASTES IN CHARGE, NO RACE TO THE BOTTOM

2018-01-12 15:38:22 UTC  

WHEN PROLES ARE IN CHARGE...

2018-01-12 15:47:11 UTC  

It doesn't function well at all. It suffers from destructive boom bust cycles. Worker wages get driven down while govt expenditures aren't allowed to rise. Thus most people can't afford to consume the value of the goods and services they provide. Sales drop and so do profits. The investment plutocracy pulls what profits are gained and funnels them into financial products resulting in speculative bubbles which pull even more money out of the productive economy. When they pop depression occurs. This was common place throughout the capitalist industrial world for two centuries until the great depression saw the replacement of capitalism with other systems like soc dem, fascism, socialism and Communism.

2018-01-12 15:50:44 UTC  

GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURES RISING IS A CONSEQUENCE OF DEMOCRACY

2018-01-12 15:50:57 UTC  

THE BOOM BUST CYCLE IS DRIVEN BY THE DISCOVERY OF NEW INDUSTRIES AND OVER-INVESTMENT BY CLUELESS PROLES

2018-01-12 15:51:03 UTC  

YOU HAD NONE OF THIS UNDER THE ARISTOCRATS

2018-01-12 15:51:56 UTC  

No the expenditures **aren't** allowed to rise

2018-01-12 15:57:15 UTC  

Also not true. The tulip mania of the 17th century happened while plenty of aristocrats and monarchs were in power

2018-01-12 15:59:11 UTC  

How about the south sea bubble?

2018-01-12 16:10:17 UTC  

Ohai guys

2018-01-12 16:12:01 UTC  

Aristocrats weren't really in power in the 17th century.
You forget that by the renaissance, effective power was switching to bankers and investors, more than pure aristocracy.
Aristocracy had a certain function and title, but they were certainly not completely in power. Even kings had to bow down to the banks.

2018-01-12 16:13:10 UTC  

What is needed is a true caste system, where money handlers are servants.

2018-01-12 16:14:25 UTC  

Who are effectively an aristocracy 😒

2018-01-12 16:14:25 UTC  

From the middle ages to the 20th century, it is not just discrete moments that cause the loss of power of the monarchy, but rather a slow, gradual change.

2018-01-12 16:14:38 UTC  

No. You confuse "got power" with "aristocracy"

2018-01-12 16:15:07 UTC  

you are using the confused, generic term for "aristocracy" as "whoever is up there"

2018-01-12 16:15:15 UTC  

It's a pants shitting retarded distinction. Who owns the productive economy?

2018-01-12 16:15:22 UTC  

nope

2018-01-12 16:15:27 UTC  

it is not a retarded distinction

2018-01-12 16:15:34 UTC  

it is a qualitative distinction

2018-01-12 16:15:39 UTC  

like the term "noble"

2018-01-12 16:15:46 UTC  

aristocracy is made up of nobles

2018-01-12 16:15:59 UTC  

nobility is not made with money (alone)

2018-01-12 16:16:01 UTC  

yeah muh meritocratic ______would never do stupid things

2018-01-12 16:16:41 UTC  

You brought up money not me

2018-01-12 16:16:51 UTC  

In terms of power

2018-01-12 16:16:53 UTC  

What I am getting at, is that you are conflating

2018-01-12 16:16:56 UTC  

confounding

2018-01-12 16:17:11 UTC  

No it's called political economics

2018-01-12 16:17:28 UTC  

Simplifications that obfuscate the truth.

2018-01-12 16:17:40 UTC  

you can say "the upper class", if you like

2018-01-12 16:17:48 UTC  

but "aristocracy" and "nobility" mean something else

2018-01-12 16:18:08 UTC  

in today's world , the "upper class" is an ascended merchant class, not a "nobility"

2018-01-12 16:18:22 UTC  

dude political economics was a field of study

2018-01-12 16:18:52 UTC  

"dude", that doesn't change the meaning of what we are discussing