Message from @diversity_is_racism

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2018-01-17 20:26:36 UTC  

Like I know you know exactly the thinking I'm trying to put into words here

2018-01-17 20:27:34 UTC  

By that I mean clearly stating stuff that's come up in the history of ideas

2018-01-17 20:28:18 UTC  

IT IS NOT SEMANTICS TO UNDERSTAND A THEORY CORRECTLY, I WOULD THINK

2018-01-17 20:28:35 UTC  

DUALISM POSITS A SEPARATION BETWEEN MATERIAL AND IDEA

2018-01-17 20:28:40 UTC  

yeah

2018-01-17 20:28:42 UTC  

IDEALISM PRESENTS A UNIFIED NOTION, IS THAT CORRECT?

2018-01-17 20:28:59 UTC  

(I AM NOT TRYING TO RUN YOU DOWN HERE. AS I TOLD SEXILARCH, THIS IS A FRIENDLY CONVERSATION.)

2018-01-17 20:29:08 UTC  

(AND PEOPLE CAN FEEL FREE TO DISAGREE.)

2018-01-17 20:29:08 UTC  

There are two types of idealism

2018-01-17 20:29:18 UTC  

Oh I'm not upset

2018-01-17 20:29:55 UTC  

Or frustrated even

2018-01-17 20:31:15 UTC  

Just trying to lay out some background and context before even getting to schopenhauer

2018-01-17 20:32:37 UTC  

Are platonic forms dualism then

2018-01-17 20:33:25 UTC  

kinda outta scope since that theory came outta a different culture with a different set of folk assumptions

2018-01-17 20:35:06 UTC  

I mean obviously if you've read WWR platonism is mentioned

2018-01-17 20:35:08 UTC  

Ur a folk

2018-01-17 20:35:16 UTC  

And kinda synthesized

2018-01-17 20:35:26 UTC  
2018-01-17 20:35:43 UTC  

Since I never understood what he meant by dualism

2018-01-17 20:36:09 UTC  

Oh

2018-01-17 20:36:31 UTC  

@devolved NO, BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE IN LINE WITH DUALISM

2018-01-17 20:36:42 UTC  

PLATONIC FORMS POSIT AN UNDERLYING ORDER TO THIS WORLD, NOT A SEPARATE WORLD

2018-01-17 20:36:57 UTC  

THIS GETS DIFFICULT BECAUSE THERE ARE POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL DIMENSIONS OR LAYERS TO THIS WORLD

2018-01-17 20:36:59 UTC  

BUT UNLIKE DUALISM

2018-01-17 20:37:04 UTC  

THE RULES ARE NOT DIFERENT

2018-01-17 20:37:10 UTC  

THE TWO WORLDS ARE DIRECTLY JOINED

2018-01-17 20:37:55 UTC  

how do you personally join them

2018-01-17 20:40:19 UTC  

Like there's basically zero cause and effect relationship between Fingerness and the five digits protruding from my palm.

2018-01-17 20:47:03 UTC  

Not finish with this thread but it is a good read.
https://twitter.com/Freyaslight/status/953437362499047424

2018-01-17 20:48:46 UTC  

God bless Texas

2018-01-17 21:11:25 UTC  

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ ACTUALLY, THE CORE OF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THERE IS

2018-01-17 21:11:28 UTC  

FINGERNESS IS NOT A MATERIAL

2018-01-17 21:11:35 UTC  

IT IS A PATTERN (OUR WORD FOR "FORM")

2018-01-17 21:11:58 UTC  

What's the causal link between the immaterial form and the material object

2018-01-17 21:12:14 UTC  

Yours that is

2018-01-17 21:20:03 UTC  

THE MATHEMATICS OF PATTERN

2018-01-17 21:20:10 UTC  

A FINGER IS A SHAPE DESIGNED FOR A SERIES OF FUNCTIONS

2018-01-17 21:20:29 UTC  

THIS IS DETERMINED BY INTERACTIONS BETWEEN ITS PARTS AND THE OBJECTS ON WHICH IT ACTS

2018-01-17 21:20:43 UTC  

THUS ITS ESSENCE IS STRUCTURAL, OR INFORMATIONAL, NOT MATERIAL, OR RELATED TO WHAT IT IS MADE OF

2018-01-17 21:20:51 UTC  

FOR EXAMPLE, WE CAN MAKE REASONABLY ACCURATE ROBOTIC FINGERS