Message from @༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻
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idealism is a monism of two options:
1) reductionist - matter is actually the result of mental activity
2) eliminativist - matter doesn't exist there's just mental stuff.
Reverse it for materialism
Dualism is like, `yo dawg there are two independent substances. Dunno how they connect.`
YOU CONFLATE "IDEA" AND "MENTAL ACTIVITY" WHICH IS CLEARLY REJECTED
AND IT IS NOT REDUCTIONISM PER SE TO STATE THAT CAUSE/EFFECT RELATIONSHIPS APPLY TO MATTER AND IDEA
Can we avoid semantics
Like I know you know exactly the thinking I'm trying to put into words here
By that I mean clearly stating stuff that's come up in the history of ideas
IT IS NOT SEMANTICS TO UNDERSTAND A THEORY CORRECTLY, I WOULD THINK
DUALISM POSITS A SEPARATION BETWEEN MATERIAL AND IDEA
yeah
IDEALISM PRESENTS A UNIFIED NOTION, IS THAT CORRECT?
(I AM NOT TRYING TO RUN YOU DOWN HERE. AS I TOLD SEXILARCH, THIS IS A FRIENDLY CONVERSATION.)
(AND PEOPLE CAN FEEL FREE TO DISAGREE.)
There are two types of idealism
Oh I'm not upset
Or frustrated even
Just trying to lay out some background and context before even getting to schopenhauer
Are platonic forms dualism then
kinda outta scope since that theory came outta a different culture with a different set of folk assumptions
Ur a folk
And kinda synthesized
I'm asking @diversity_is_racism
Since I never understood what he meant by dualism
Oh
@devolved NO, BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE IN LINE WITH DUALISM
PLATONIC FORMS POSIT AN UNDERLYING ORDER TO THIS WORLD, NOT A SEPARATE WORLD
THIS GETS DIFFICULT BECAUSE THERE ARE POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL DIMENSIONS OR LAYERS TO THIS WORLD
BUT UNLIKE DUALISM
THE RULES ARE NOT DIFERENT
THE TWO WORLDS ARE DIRECTLY JOINED
how do you personally join them
Like there's basically zero cause and effect relationship between Fingerness and the five digits protruding from my palm.
Not finish with this thread but it is a good read.
https://twitter.com/Freyaslight/status/953437362499047424
God bless Texas
@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ ACTUALLY, THE CORE OF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THERE IS
FINGERNESS IS NOT A MATERIAL
IT IS A PATTERN (OUR WORD FOR "FORM")
What's the causal link between the immaterial form and the material object