Message from @Exilarch

Discord ID: 403275767900798978


2018-01-17 19:32:48 UTC  

KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE IS A REASON RELIGION IS WRITTEN IN METAPHOR

2018-01-17 19:33:10 UTC  

WE ARE NOTICING FORMS AND TENDENCIES OVER TIME, NOT TANGIBLE OBJECTS IN THE MOMENT

2018-01-17 19:39:24 UTC  

all you have to work with are representations made from a thin trickle of sensory data.

2018-01-17 19:39:42 UTC  

this is fine for navigating

2018-01-17 19:39:48 UTC  

but beyond that

2018-01-17 19:42:22 UTC  

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ MANY THINGS MUST REMAIN MYSTERIES

2018-01-17 19:42:26 UTC  

THAT IS NOT PROBLEMATIC IN ITSELF

2018-01-17 19:42:35 UTC  

AFTER ALL, WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT UNDERSTAND THEM ANYWAY

2018-01-17 19:42:42 UTC  

DUNNING-KRUGER IS ALSO AN UPPER LIMIT ON THE HUMAN SPECIES

2018-01-17 19:45:50 UTC  

we are boat in a storm that has a little spot light at the front of it that let's us see the waves crash into each other and maybe a water spout in the distance we might want to avoid.

2018-01-17 19:46:12 UTC  

blah blah Dionysus

2018-01-17 19:46:17 UTC  

WE ARE ALSO ABLE TO SEE PATTERNS IN THE WAVES

2018-01-17 19:46:17 UTC  

Blah blah Apollo

2018-01-17 19:46:30 UTC  

THIS IS NOT A LIFE ALONE IN A VOID OF DATA

2018-01-17 19:46:34 UTC  

WE ARE IN FACT AWASH IN IT

2018-01-17 19:46:38 UTC  

THE QUESTION IS PATTERN RECOGNITION

2018-01-17 19:53:02 UTC  

I honestly don't even know what we are talking about at this point

2018-01-17 19:53:46 UTC  

that's why I left the conversation

2018-01-17 19:53:55 UTC  

I was looking at pants on amazon instead, at least that is remotely helpful to my life

2018-01-17 19:58:07 UTC  

We started talking about attitudes and the contents of books but our abstractions grew tentacles of their own and slithered into murky Eldritch swamps

2018-01-17 20:09:45 UTC  

NOT AT ALL

2018-01-17 20:09:47 UTC  

WE ARE STILL ON TOPIC

2018-01-17 20:09:51 UTC  

WE ARE DISCUSSING GERMAN IDEALISM

2018-01-17 20:10:38 UTC  

TRUE NATURE OF HIPPIES REVEALED

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267086373285134338/403279973248401428/hippies.jpg

2018-01-17 20:11:17 UTC  

Schopenhauer took the middle way. He critiqued Berkeley and Hegel and the materialists

2018-01-17 20:17:04 UTC  

and materialism/idealism are just two autistically extreme polarities that only exist because folk western people decided on a mind/body divide. From there you get spirit and matter and away we go.

2018-01-17 20:19:59 UTC  

NOT IN THE SCHOPENHAUERIAN VIEW

2018-01-17 20:20:01 UTC  

OR THE KANTIAN

2018-01-17 20:20:08 UTC  

THE DIVIDE IS NOT BODY/MIND BUT CAUSE/EFFECT

2018-01-17 20:20:11 UTC  

WITH BOTH BEING IMPORTANT

2018-01-17 20:20:14 UTC  

SCHOPENHAUER MAKES THIS CLEAR

2018-01-17 20:20:19 UTC  

KANT IS LESS CLEAR, BUT IMPLIES IT HEAVILY

2018-01-17 20:20:32 UTC  

WHAT YOU ARE CALLING IDEALISM IS ACTUALLY DUALISM

2018-01-17 20:20:45 UTC  

I haven't defined that yet

2018-01-17 20:22:10 UTC  

idealism is a monism of two options:
1) reductionist - matter is actually the result of mental activity
2) eliminativist - matter doesn't exist there's just mental stuff.

2018-01-17 20:22:30 UTC  

Reverse it for materialism

2018-01-17 20:23:01 UTC  

Dualism is like, `yo dawg there are two independent substances. Dunno how they connect.`

2018-01-17 20:23:42 UTC  

YOU CONFLATE "IDEA" AND "MENTAL ACTIVITY" WHICH IS CLEARLY REJECTED

2018-01-17 20:24:07 UTC  

AND IT IS NOT REDUCTIONISM PER SE TO STATE THAT CAUSE/EFFECT RELATIONSHIPS APPLY TO MATTER AND IDEA