Message from @Hagel
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maybe with just an example
CONSIDER THE FORM OF A FISH
WE KNOW THE NATURE OF PLANETS AND THE NATURE OF WATER
Better
FOR LIFE TO SURVIVE IN WATER, IT MUST HAVE A FORM ADAPTED TO WATER
NAMELY, PROPULSION IS NOT LEGS (LOL)
SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE SIMPLEST POSSIBLE FORM WOULD BE A FLIPPER WITH A HEAD
THEN, BECAUSE IT WILL NEED STABILITY AND STEERING, IT HAS FINS
ONE COULD ALSO USE THE EYE AS AN EXAMPLE
IN A WORLD WHERE VISION IS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO ACCURATE ASSESS SURROUNDINGS
YOU NEED SOMETHING LIKE A LITTLE CAMERA
It's not good to start from that direction and work backward
It assumes that what happened had to happen and was the only way
NOT NECESSARILY
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT CAUSALITY
BUT DEMANDS OF CONTEXT
DESIGN AN ANIMAL TO SWIM THROUGH WATER
DESIGNS WILL CONVERGE ON FISH SHAPES WHEN EFFICIENCY IS REQUIRED
E.G. I CAN ENVISION SOMETHING THAT SWIMS WITH TEN THOUSAND HANDS BUT
THAT IS NOT VERY EFFICIENT
There may yet be forms that haven't been seen
TO USE OR TO REPRODUCE
THERE MAY BE OTHER FORMS
And possibilities that could have been
THERE IS MORE THAN ONE WAY TO DO ANYTHING
BUT
A FISH IS THE SIMPLEST
SO IT IS INEVITABLE THAT SOMETHING LIKE IT WILL EXIST
IN THAT ENVIRONMENT
so your theory is that forms are basically emergent out of concrete relationships and certain demands
IF WE CHANGE FACTORS OF THAT ENVIRONMENT, THE DESIGN MAY CHANGE (FOR EXAMPLE, GRAVITY)
FORMS ARE EMERGENT FROM DESIGNS
GRAVITY IS AN IDEA, A DESIGN
IN INTERACTION WITH OTHER IDEAS
IT PRODUCES A LIMITED SET OF ANSWERS
what are ideas specifically
I agree with your sentiment, but nature's code is a black box and we only see the results of it being boilerplated
AND WHEN WE IMPOSE OTHER CRITERIA (EFFICIENCY, SURVIVABILITY)