Message from ༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ in Realism #general


2018-01-17 21:34:12 UTC  

I don't start Philosophy until this and the following course pass

2018-01-17 21:34:25 UTC  

HMM, WELL, HANG IN THERE

2018-01-17 21:34:32 UTC  

WE WILL EITHER LIBERATE YOUR MIND OR MAKE YOU FAIL THE COURSE

2018-01-17 21:34:46 UTC  

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ THE IDEA IS INHERENT TO THE COMPOSITION OF THE UNIVERSE

2018-01-17 21:34:51 UTC  

WHICH ITSELF IS AN OUTPOURING OF LOGICALITY

2018-01-17 21:35:07 UTC  

is the "fish" pattern and its fin patterns in existence before any concrete fins or fish

2018-01-17 21:35:13 UTC  

THAT IS, THERE IS A CERTAIN WAY -- BASED ON THE INTERACTION OF NUMBERS OR PATTERNS -- THAT THINGS MUST TURN OUT

2018-01-17 21:35:31 UTC  

IT IS IN EXISTENCE AS AN IMPLICATION OF THE IDEA OF REALITY

2018-01-17 21:35:43 UTC  

IT MAY NOT EXIST IN CONCRETE FORM, AS IN WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE IN THE STARS

2018-01-17 21:35:48 UTC  

BUT IT IS PART OF THAT LARGER IDEA

2018-01-17 21:35:52 UTC  

A FISH IS A PURELY LOGICAL DESIGN

2018-01-17 21:36:02 UTC  

SO IS MATTER, WHEN YOU CONSIDER A SYSTEM FOR MANIFESTING AND COMPARING PATTERNS

2018-01-17 21:36:30 UTC  

ok so let's say there's no concrete fish

2018-01-17 21:36:39 UTC  

anywhere

2018-01-17 21:37:03 UTC  

what's the pattern doing

2018-01-17 21:38:56 UTC  

Does it exist yet?

2018-01-17 21:39:25 UTC  

YES, BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE IDEA OF REALITY ITSELF

2018-01-17 21:39:33 UTC  

IDEA IS CAUSE OF MATERIAL PATTERN

2018-01-17 21:39:53 UTC  

AND WITHOUT TIME AS PART OF THE EQUATION, WE CAN SEE HOW THE IDEA LEADS ITSELF NECESSARILY TO OTHER VARIATIONS

2018-01-17 21:39:59 UTC  

SO YES, IT IS INNATE TO THE UNIVERSE

2018-01-17 21:42:16 UTC  

ok so the fish idea basically floats around doing nothing for long periods of time until actual concrete relationships and circumstances happen. Then badabingbadaboom the idea of fish has a concrete instance. So the actual causal mechanism here isn't the idea.

2018-01-17 21:42:45 UTC  

THE CAUSAL MECHANISM IS THE IDEA

2018-01-17 21:42:57 UTC  

UNTIL A PATTERN EXISTS -- IN THIS CASE, THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE FISH -- THE IDEA DOES NOT HAVE AN INSTANCE

2018-01-17 21:43:01 UTC  

THAT WE KNOW OF AT LEAST

2018-01-17 21:44:11 UTC  

sup

2018-01-17 21:44:17 UTC  

HOWDY

2018-01-17 21:44:21 UTC  

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FISH

2018-01-17 21:44:46 UTC  

the linux shell?

2018-01-17 21:46:22 UTC  

NO, THE SWIMMING ANIMAL

2018-01-17 21:46:24 UTC  

AND ITS DESIGN

2018-01-17 21:46:29 UTC  

RE: PLATONISM AND GERMAN IDEALISM

2018-01-17 21:46:38 UTC  

Yeah an idea without an instance means it doesn't have any power. Otherwise there would always be fish, and water and so on

2018-01-17 21:47:36 UTC  

without any instances the idea is just *floating* in the aether doing nothing

2018-01-17 21:47:39 UTC  

NOT NECESSARILY

2018-01-17 21:47:52 UTC  

IF WE REMOVE TIME AS CAUSALITY, WHICH PATTERN LOGIC IMPLIES

2018-01-17 21:48:04 UTC  

THEN THERE IS AN INEVITABILITY TO EXPANSION INTO THAT AREA

2018-01-17 21:48:17 UTC  

MUCH AS WITH THE IDEA OF PLANETS, IT BECOMES CLEAR THAT A HABITABLE PLANET IS A SUBSET

2018-01-17 21:48:19 UTC  

TRUE, ONE MUST WAIT

2018-01-17 21:48:22 UTC  

BUT THE DESIGN IS THERE

2018-01-17 21:48:25 UTC  

TIED INTO THE LARGER IDEA

2018-01-17 21:48:51 UTC  

you mean make time infinite